Paint Protect

[DasBurninator]

Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

What kind of car is that?^

Nissan Pathfinder

[Eldorado2k]

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What kind of car is that?^

[DasBurninator]

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Paint Protect darkened the paint on my emerald green hood when we tested it next to UPW. We all saw it.. [Detailing Art, The Guz, and many others] So as far as it making a positive difference in the looks department I'd have to say yes it does, at least initially. I'd have to say it's due to the carrier oils in the product. But dang they sure made a noticeable difference. Period.

I noticed this effect as well.

Update on the daily beater:

Washed it for the first time in like a month yesterday (treating it like a normal person would.... for the most part).

Beading shots were after I had done a pooling rinse, so not the best example, but still seems to be holding up very well. Hood was the the only part that didn't have PP365 on it, just D156 as a control for the test. Ended up compounding the hood with some AP Compound, then applying PP365 to the hood as well.

Roof:


Hood:


Full car shot:


Engine bay cleanup shot for good measure. Hyperdressing @ 3:1 seems to work well for engine bays and wheel wells.

[Eldorado2k]

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Paint Protect darkened the paint on my emerald green hood when we tested it next to UPW. We all saw it.. [Detailing Art, The Guz, and many others] So as far as it making a positive difference in the looks department I'd have to say yes it does, at least initially. I'd have to say it's due to the carrier oils in the product. But dang they sure made a noticeable difference. Period.

[DasBurninator]

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On light colored cars it won't matter. I did ultimate wax, m21 and 365 side by side on silver and there is no distinct difference in appearance. The gloss came from using M205 to prep the surface. I would expect this on lighter colors.

This brings up a good point. Gloss is mostly in the prep work.

[The Guz]

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On light colored cars it won't matter. I did ultimate wax, m21 and 365 side by side on silver and there is no distinct difference in appearance. The gloss came from using M205 to prep the surface. I would expect this on lighter colors.

[DasBurninator]

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Well, we all want our cars clean and shiny, but different people have different definitions for "clean and shiny". From personal experience, even when I think my car looks its worst, I still get compliments on how "clean and shiny" it is. Long ago I stopped rolling my eyes at these comments and just took the compliment. So, to the target audience of Paint Protect, it's more than glossy enough for them. We've said from the introduction of this product that it's all about protection and long lasting beading, and that it's not going to be the "prettiest" wax we make. Still, initial reviews ran counter to that gloss claim. Cool. For a hard core enthusiast, detailing weekend warrior, the kind of guy who's always chasing the very highest gloss level they can achieve.....it's probably not going to be their first choice.

I'm actually pretty impressed with it on my daily beater... For someone who chases the best gloss I can get on my other cars, PP365 does pretty good on a daily. Just different expectations as Mike has stated.

I know its not going to be the greatest gloss, but from 20 feet it looks great. On the hood there is D156 on it as a control for comparison. The hood seems to get dirtier quicker. For whatever that is worth. Guess I should wash it and post an update this weekend.

[Michael Stoops]

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Thanks for the quick response! I read the Gold Class Car Wash has a "conditioner" while the UWW has "wax". Is conditioner and wax the same? Could you elaborate a bit to shed some light so I can make the right decision? Thanks!

A conditioner, as included in Gold Class, would be ingredients that both preserve the existing wax you've previously applied and help to maintain the gloss level of that wax. They work to prevent any reduction of gloss from repeated use. A wax, such as found in UWW, is just that - a very small bit of added protection and gloss enhancement. Wash & Wax products that are clear in appearance (ie, you could read a printed sheet of paper while looking through them) use a soluble wax that is darn near impossible to get to stay on the paint when rinsed off. UWW is not clear because it uses a dispersed wax. If you wash in the shade on a cool surface and can leave it sitting on the paint a bit longer than normal (but not so long that it starts to self dry) and then rinse it off with just a steady stream of water from the hose rather than blasting it off with high pressure, you'll maximize the amount of wax that will be left behind. Now, don't expect this to be a substitute for a proper wax application, or that you're suddenly going to have extreme crazy gloss because of it. But if you're beyond picky about these sorts of things, this will help.

Mike
In the detailing world most ppl want 2 things.
They want a clean car and want it shiny.
Now PP365 does not have the gloss of other Meguiars sealants and waxes but would you say the gloss is sufficient to make most ppl happy?

Well, we all want our cars clean and shiny, but different people have different definitions for "clean and shiny". From personal experience, even when I think my car looks its worst, I still get compliments on how "clean and shiny" it is. Long ago I stopped rolling my eyes at these comments and just took the compliment. So, to the target audience of Paint Protect, it's more than glossy enough for them. We've said from the introduction of this product that it's all about protection and long lasting beading, and that it's not going to be the "prettiest" wax we make. Still, initial reviews ran counter to that gloss claim. Cool. For a hard core enthusiast, detailing weekend warrior, the kind of guy who's always chasing the very highest gloss level they can achieve.....it's probably not going to be their first choice.

[gclark26]

Mike
In the detailing world most ppl want 2 things.
They want a clean car and want it shiny.
Now PP365 does not have the gloss of other Meguiars sealants and waxes but would you say the gloss is sufficient to make most ppl happy?

[flyinghammer]

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It doesn't really matter - you can use any of our shampoos with Paint Protect.

Thanks for the quick response! I read the Gold Class Car Wash has a "conditioner" while the UWW has "wax". Is conditioner and wax the same? Could you elaborate a bit to shed some light so I can make the right decision? Thanks!

[Michael Stoops]

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Michael, which wash product that is best compatible with Paint Protect? The Gold Class Car Wash or the Ultimate Wash & Wax? Any other option that you would advise? I want something that works and is simple to manage on an ongoing basis.

It doesn't really matter - you can use any of our shampoos with Paint Protect.

[flyinghammer]

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As you might imagine, this goes on quite thin so you'll get many applications from the bottle, just as you would with any other liquid wax.

Michael, which wash product that is best compatible with Paint Protect? The Gold Class Car Wash or the Ultimate Wash & Wax? Any other option that you would advise? I want something that works and is simple to manage on an ongoing basis.

[The Guz]

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D156 on the hood. About a week old

As far as the beading properties that I have seen so far with PP365, it is almost as good of beading as the CQuartz UK car I coated. I doubt it will keep up in the long run though.

That's good beading. It took 4 months for me to see decent beading. I'm still 50/50 on 365.

I got the same beading results on the hood that's currently on the car and the factory hood off the car.

I still haven't used my PP365 yet and based on reviews I'm not sure I will.

You should at least try it one time on a small panel. Perhaps you will like it.

[Meticulous-Detail]

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I still haven't used my PP365 yet and based on reviews I'm not sure I will.

[DasBurninator]

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^^ wow that's good beading. Better than others I've seen with PP365.

Yeah, it seems to be much better beading than what I have seen posted in tests on here and AGO... Much closer to what is advertised.

And at this point there shouldn't be any carrier oils on the surface. It has rained off and on for a solid 3-4 days here, so I can't imagine there being any left.