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  • #31
    Re: I-Quit sale

    Originally posted by agp423 View Post
    This is probably the reason why I'm feeling so hopeless... If someone just said that nothing will work until I get a DA, I would be no where close to giving up hope.
    But surely this is unfair, Hunter, to suggest that you have been misled by the members of this forum. When you joined MOL less than a month ago (5/23), you stated, "I just want to wax my car." At that point it surely would have been crassly commercial to tell you that you needed to purchase a G110. Most people who are just starting out prefer to do their detailing work by hand. They are not interested in machine polishing.

    On 5/28 you bought yourself a clay kit and some NXT (and other basic stuff). On 6/2 you showed us pics of your Caddy (the freshly waxed car looked great) and told us that that the paint was defect-free. Two days later your shared that you wanted your car to look shinier. At this point folks started to discuss with you a detailing process that would include hand polishing with SwirlX and Ultimate Compound. On 6/5 RZ Autodetailing prophetically warned: "you will probably not get the results your looking for without a machine or your hands falling off ..."

    On 6/14 you showed us pics of your car alongside two others and expressed disappointment that your car, which you had recently washed, clayed, and waxed, did not look as shiny as they did. On 6/15 I explicitly suggested to you that you should consider investing in a dual action polisher, and my suggestion was seconded by Andy.

    On 6/17 you informed us that SwirlX did not remove any swirls. You were advised to get Ultimate Compound and to try that, and if that did not effect the correction that you desired, then you would have to get the car machine-polished. CieraSL shared that he too had had not seen any improvement on his hard GM paint and had found that he had to invest in a G110 polisher, and suggested that you too "might have to do the same." You acknowledged this possibility.

    Finally on 6/19 you announced your decision to quit and to sell your supplies.

    What more could anyone have done? We tried to advise you within the parameters of your announced objectives, while respecting your expressed desire to keep detailing expenses to a minimum. None of us knew, could know, how effective hand polishing would be on your car's particular paint system. There was only one way for you, and us, to find out--by you doing it. And now we know.

    Hunter, you need to look at this as a learning process. There are somethings one can only learn by doing. You have learned how to wash , clay, and wax your car. You have learned how to polish your car by hand. And you have learned that if you want to remove swirls in your hard Cadillac paint, you will either need to retain the services of a professional detailer or invest in a dual action polisher and appropriate pads.

    As Mike Phillips likes to say, we are here to see you through to success. But success does not come overnight nor without investment of time, energy, toil, and resources. Be patient. Determine your priorities and objectives. Plan ahead.

    Cheers,
    Al
    Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
    --Al Kimel

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    • #32
      Re: I-Quit sale

      Would any other polishers work? There are many cheaper ones by other brand in stores I went to.

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      • #33
        Re: I-Quit sale

        Originally posted by agp423 View Post
        Would any other polishers work? There are many cheaper ones by other brand in stores I went to.
        I would stick with popular brands mentioned here and other forums. Porter Cable 7424/7336 , Meguiars G110, Cyclos, and Flex 3401 VRG are popular for a reason - they provide the best results without risking damage to the paint. The last thing you want to do is use a bargain polisher on your $5000 factory paint.

        You can pick up a used Porter Cable for under $80 (I bought one for $65 from a private party) and a used G110 for under $100. Search your local classifieds and use search terms like polisher, G110, Porter Cable, etc. Just make sure that you are buying an Dual Action Polisher and not a direct drive polisher commonly called rotaries (see Machine Photos - DA Polishers - Rotary Buffers - Traditional Orbital Buffers). Dual action polishers have a clutch mechanism that eliminate the possibility of burning through your paint. Rotaries do not. If you find a brand you're not familiar with, ask here on MOL before committing to the purchase. Somebody here will have insight, guaranteed.

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        • #34
          Re: I-Quit sale

          Hang in there AGP, this is one of those hobbies where the term "practice makes perfect" come into play.
          I started this not too long ago myself, with every detail I do I can see myself getting better. I prefer doing details by hand but I'm about to step into the world of DA polishing because I know I can not get a 100% defect free result by hand.....close but not perfect.
          The more you put into it, the more you'll get out of it.You just have to find your niche, it won't come easy and it won't come quick but with time you'll improve your technique and the end result will be proof to your dedication.
          Unfortunately this is not a product of instant gratification.

          The Polishers you're most likely seeing at the stores are the random orbitals, their main purpose in life is to spread the wax around quickly, hardly any cutting power. The G110 is probably one of the cheapest DA's you're gonna find, and thats the main reason I'm going to go with it....plus it's gotten pretty good reviews.

          I hope this helps ya and brings back some of your motivation!
          For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.

          736th GunTrucks "Bakersfield to Bagdad"

          Wife say's I'm "obsessed"!

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          • #35
            Re: I-Quit sale

            Are there cheaper ones that would work ? Sure. As there are cheaper cars then your Caddy.Sure there are. The forum members are trying to inform you as they draw from their experience as would you parents have from their lifes experiences. This forum,as other detailing forums'are full of members that were exactly in the same boat that you are now and they are trying to share this wealth of info with you. Members can only answer the question that you present on any given problem.If you will take the time to research older threads you wil see we have all mostly coming from where you are now.How you use this info is totally up to you.
            On the purchase of a cheaper machine,try going to a tool rental and see if this type of work is up you alley .Actual hands on experience will answer many of your questions with the smallest outlay of cash.Or take up the offer of help from someone local to assist you in the orbital or rotary machine use. Rember,read read,read, and ask since there are no real dumb question except those you don't bother to bring up for discussion.Just an old mans two cents that has been there and got more t-shirts then I care to remember.
            Live like you're not afraid to die.Don't be scared, just enjoy your ride. Chris Ledoux RIP

            PAUL SPARKS / Distinctive Auto Detailing
            317-513-4678

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            • #36
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              OK OK I'm not quitting. It was just a spur of the moment thing. I'm mainly quitting trying to make everything perfect by hand, and am going on a hiatus until I have enough money for a G110. SwirlX, UC, and M7 is still for sale. I'm quitting trying to remove swirls by hand, not quitting adoring the cleanliness of my car. And thanks for all the encouragement!

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              • #37
                Re: I-Quit sale

                Originally posted by agp423 View Post


                OK OK I'm not quitting. It was just a spur of the moment thing. I'm mainly quitting trying to make everything perfect by hand, and am going on a hiatus until I have enough money for a G110. Swirls, UC, and M7 is still for sale. I'm quitting trying to remove swirls by hand, not quitting adoring the cleanliness of my car. And thanks for all the encouragement!
                Yea!

                Try and find a member out there to help you out.
                Maybe start another post asking for help.
                If anyone is close I'm sure they'll help.
                If you were close to me I would help you in a heart beat!
                Or I can come to you, if you pay,

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                • #38
                  Re: I-Quit sale

                  Our Neon has hard as nails clear coat and UC works great by hand, couple of passes mind you in a 12X12 area mind you and finish with SwirlX......

                  A machine will work wonders for you, either a G100/PC 7424, G110, PC 7424XP, Flex et al.

                  Hang in there!
                  Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

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                  • #39
                    Re: I-Quit sale

                    Originally posted by agp423 View Post


                    OK OK I'm not quitting. It was just a spur of the moment thing. I'm mainly quitting trying to make everything perfect by hand, and am going on a hiatus until I have enough money for a G110. SwirlX, UC, and M7 is still for sale. I'm quitting trying to remove swirls by hand, not quitting adoring the cleanliness of my car. And thanks for all the encouragement!

                    I would keep the SwirlX and UC, those will work even better by D.A than hand. In other words, a foam polishing pad on the D.A will make the product work even better than by hand.
                    Nick
                    Tucker's Detailing Services
                    815-954-0773
                    2012 Ford Transit Connect

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                    • #40
                      Re: I-Quit sale

                      I have swirls on my car still. Yes it is a pain in the butt, but I will not give up on trying to get rid of them. It's just going to take alot more buffing.

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                      • #41
                        Re: I-Quit sale

                        Glad you are going to hang in there. Remember, there is always someone out here on the forum willing to help you out. You will defeat the swirls.
                        quality creates its own demand

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                        • #42
                          Re: I-Quit sale

                          Originally posted by agp423 View Post


                          OK OK I'm not quitting. It was just a spur of the moment thing. I'm mainly quitting trying to make everything perfect by hand, and am going on a hiatus until I have enough money for a G110. SwirlX, UC, and M7 is still for sale. I'm quitting trying to remove swirls by hand, not quitting adoring the cleanliness of my car. And thanks for all the encouragement!
                          Hooray! Hang in there, buddy. You can make it!
                          Shane
                          1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera SL

                          If you trim yourself to fit the world you'll whittle yourself away. - Aaron Tippin

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                          • #43
                            Re: I-Quit sale

                            Wish I still lived in NJ, I'd have you come over and we'd fix it together.
                            ----------------------------------

                            3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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                            • #44
                              Re: I-Quit sale

                              Originally posted by agp423 View Post
                              When I save up enough money for the G110 (but most likely a cheaper equivalent)


                              Originally posted by ClearlyCoated View Post
                              I would stick with popular brands mentioned here and other forums. Porter Cable 7424/7336 , Meguiars G110, Cyclos, and Flex 3401 VRG are popular for a reason - they provide the best results without risking damage to the paint. The last thing you want to do is use a bargain polisher on your $5000 factory paint.

                              You can pick up a used Porter Cable for under $80 (I bought one for $65 from a private party) and a used G110 for under $100. Search your local classifieds and use search terms like polisher, G110, Porter Cable, etc. Just make sure that you are buying an Dual Action Polisher and not a direct drive polisher commonly called rotaries (see Machine Photos - DA Polishers - Rotary Buffers - Traditional Orbital Buffers). Dual action polishers have a clutch mechanism that eliminate the possibility of burning through your paint. Rotaries do not. If you find a brand you're not familiar with, ask here on MOL before committing to the purchase. Somebody here will have insight, guaranteed.
                              I would definitely take Clearly's advice and go with a name brand machine like the PC or Megs unit. I got the PC kit as a xmas gift and just recently bought a used (but pratically brand new looking) Meguiars G110 from a craigslist posting cleary coated posted for $85 plus shipping as a backup.

                              I was new to the whole machine polishing thing and from what I read knew I should steer clear of the rotary, and will probably never step up to a rotary.

                              I started out on my girlfriend's black explorer and just experimented knowing that I could not really mess up to the point of no return, and just took my time and played around and now I have done about 6 other cars for friends and co workers and some sportbikes and getting paid. I am not looking to turn pro or start a business, just a hobby I enjoy doing and getting paid is a bonus.

                              Stick with it if you want to and you can change things around and get the better results you are looking for.
                              2008 Toyota Corolla 5-spd
                              2005 Honda CRF250R
                              2002 kawasaki Ninja ZX9R

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                                Wish I still lived in NJ, I'd have you come over and we'd fix it together.
                                Under no conditions or circumstances I could ever wish to be back in NJ.
                                Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
                                --Al Kimel

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