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  • Marc08EX
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    The biggest potential issue with quick summer rains is that it's such a gentle rain that the water just sits there - there is no motion of the vehicle to create air flow to move it off the surface, and gravity really can't move water spots off a flat, horizontal surface. Sheeting may or may not be better here as it really depends on just how the rain came down - how heavy, how long, etc. In some cases, where there is enough water, sheeting would likely help to alleviate some of this, but a very light rain will sit in droplets on the paint no matter what, and that may or may not cause some issues. Whether you've got really tight little beads of water, or slightly larger puddles, if you're dealing with an acid rain situation then you've got that low pH liquid sitting on the paint doing what it does that we don't like. If there is heavy mineral content in the water, when the water evaporates those minerals will be left behind regardless, and they can and will etch the paint. And remember, anything that can etch paint can and will get through any wax or sealant in fairly short order. To expect a wax or sealant to prevent that from happening assumes that the wax/sealant is actually stronger than the paint, which obviously it is not.

    In an ideal situation a wax/sealant would cause water to totally "wet the surface". That's actually a technical phrase that means the exact opposite of beading. Imagine putting your garden hose on a medium flow and you adjustable nozzle on a fine mist. Aim the nozzle into the air above the hood of your car and let the water flow, simulating a light rain fall. On a properly waxed car this water will land on the horizontal surface and create some very nice beads. A wax/sealant that did a truly outstanding job of sheeting would instead cause this same light mist to make the entire surface wet with a sheet of water - it would totally "wet the surface". On vertical surfaces most of this water would be pulled off the paint by gravity, but again, on a horizontal surface gravity can't pull the water sideways and off the vehicle, so it would lay there in a sheet. This may or may not actually be preferable to beading, depending on your point of view, how you maintain the vehicle, etc. What we do know for sure (and some may not want to hear this) is that such a product would fail miserably in the marketplace. As much as we know that beading alone is not necessarily an indicator of protection (you can apply M07 Show Car Glaze to a finish, spray some water on it and that water will bead like mad, but there is zero protection in M07), the consuming public directly equates beading with protection. If a wax doesn't bead for several weeks, in their mind the wax is gone already and they're not happy. We even see this on detailing forums around the great Interwebs...... someone posts a picture of water on their car that really isn't beading very well and they complain that the lousy wax they applied just a couple of weeks ago is already gone. Rants against the product go dang near viral, and everyone thinks it's junk. We used to hear this all the time with the original formulation of NXT Tech Wax; easy to apply, nice shine, but the junk doesn't last but a week or so and the beading is gone. Save your money and get XYZBoutique Wax instead because it lasts soooo much longer. Uh huh. We wanted NXT to sheet, but the world saw sheeting as failure - even detailing enthusiasts who should know better saw it that way.

    Perhaps the ideal would be for a surface that is so incredibly hydrophobic that the contact angle of the beads is so sharp that they literally roll off the paint, even on the slightest deviation from horizontal. It's possible. And expensive. Crazy expensive.
    Mike,

    I'm one of those people - guilty as charged! I've always thought that beading is a sign of protection and the presence of wax/sealant on the paint. So if certain waxes are designed to sheet the water (like NXT 2.0 - didn't know that), how could we tell if there's any wax remaining?

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by Jeepster04 View Post
    I've been wondering the same thing. Nice that it beads n such, but I want my paint to be protected from the sun and water spotting. Wondering if the high amount of beading may actually be a bad thing during those quick summer rains when the sun pops right back out. I think the majority of the etching on my paint came from wax that didn't actually protect it very well..

    I used Deep Crystal 3 step early on. Good system, but I think the step 3 (wax) was lacking.
    The biggest potential issue with quick summer rains is that it's such a gentle rain that the water just sits there - there is no motion of the vehicle to create air flow to move it off the surface, and gravity really can't move water spots off a flat, horizontal surface. Sheeting may or may not be better here as it really depends on just how the rain came down - how heavy, how long, etc. In some cases, where there is enough water, sheeting would likely help to alleviate some of this, but a very light rain will sit in droplets on the paint no matter what, and that may or may not cause some issues. Whether you've got really tight little beads of water, or slightly larger puddles, if you're dealing with an acid rain situation then you've got that low pH liquid sitting on the paint doing what it does that we don't like. If there is heavy mineral content in the water, when the water evaporates those minerals will be left behind regardless, and they can and will etch the paint. And remember, anything that can etch paint can and will get through any wax or sealant in fairly short order. To expect a wax or sealant to prevent that from happening assumes that the wax/sealant is actually stronger than the paint, which obviously it is not.

    In an ideal situation a wax/sealant would cause water to totally "wet the surface". That's actually a technical phrase that means the exact opposite of beading. Imagine putting your garden hose on a medium flow and you adjustable nozzle on a fine mist. Aim the nozzle into the air above the hood of your car and let the water flow, simulating a light rain fall. On a properly waxed car this water will land on the horizontal surface and create some very nice beads. A wax/sealant that did a truly outstanding job of sheeting would instead cause this same light mist to make the entire surface wet with a sheet of water - it would totally "wet the surface". On vertical surfaces most of this water would be pulled off the paint by gravity, but again, on a horizontal surface gravity can't pull the water sideways and off the vehicle, so it would lay there in a sheet. This may or may not actually be preferable to beading, depending on your point of view, how you maintain the vehicle, etc. What we do know for sure (and some may not want to hear this) is that such a product would fail miserably in the marketplace. As much as we know that beading alone is not necessarily an indicator of protection (you can apply M07 Show Car Glaze to a finish, spray some water on it and that water will bead like mad, but there is zero protection in M07), the consuming public directly equates beading with protection. If a wax doesn't bead for several weeks, in their mind the wax is gone already and they're not happy. We even see this on detailing forums around the great Interwebs...... someone posts a picture of water on their car that really isn't beading very well and they complain that the lousy wax they applied just a couple of weeks ago is already gone. Rants against the product go dang near viral, and everyone thinks it's junk. We used to hear this all the time with the original formulation of NXT Tech Wax; easy to apply, nice shine, but the junk doesn't last but a week or so and the beading is gone. Save your money and get XYZBoutique Wax instead because it lasts soooo much longer. Uh huh. We wanted NXT to sheet, but the world saw sheeting as failure - even detailing enthusiasts who should know better saw it that way.

    Perhaps the ideal would be for a surface that is so incredibly hydrophobic that the contact angle of the beads is so sharp that they literally roll off the paint, even on the slightest deviation from horizontal. It's possible. And expensive. Crazy expensive.

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by Super Dave View Post
    I am new to this forum... just joined today... so forgive me if this has already been answered elsewhere. Does the Paint Protect product offer any protection from UV light. I see a great deal about beading water. I am just wondering if it offers any additional protections such as UV light.
    Yes, it does provide UV protection, absolutely.

    Welcome to MOL by the way!!

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  • Jeepster04
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    I've been wondering the same thing. Nice that it beads n such, but I want my paint to be protected from the sun and water spotting. Wondering if the high amount of beading may actually be a bad thing during those quick summer rains when the sun pops right back out. I think the majority of the etching on my paint came from wax that didn't actually protect it very well..

    I used Deep Crystal 3 step early on. Good system, but I think the step 3 (wax) was lacking.

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  • Super Dave
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    I am new to this forum... just joined today... so forgive me if this has already been answered elsewhere. Does the Paint Protect product offer any protection from UV light. I see a great deal about beading water. I am just wondering if it offers any additional protections such as UV light.

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by BTLew81 View Post
    Ordered! So, Mr. Stoops, it seems it is ok to apply ultimate wax, give it a day to cure, and then apply paint protect over the ultimate for a best of both worlds approach?

    Thanks.
    Theoretically, yes, but............
    Originally posted by The Guz View Post
    You could but then paint protect becomes your sacrificial barrier and who knows how long it will last on top of another wax. I would just polish and use this and be done. No toppers either and not even a spray wax.
    Honestly, this is the way we'd go with it. Either stick with Paint Protect or stick with Ultimate, whichever you prefer. We aren't really sure what "best of both worlds" with these two products is since it's not like topping a synthetic with a carnauba where visual characteristics can be quite different.

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  • davey g-force
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Please report back with your findings guys!

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  • The Guz
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    I ordered some as well. Going to use it on my brothers car when my new MT 300 arrives.

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  • WAXOFF
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    I have this on its way. I hope it works well. I want to try it on my daughters car.

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  • The Guz
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by BTLew81 View Post
    Ordered! So, Mr. Stoops, it seems it is ok to apply ultimate wax, give it a day to cure, and then apply paint protect over the ultimate for a best of both worlds approach?

    Thanks.
    You could but then paint protect becomes your sacrificial barrier and who knows how long it will last on top of another wax. I would just polish and use this and be done. No toppers either and not even a spray wax.

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  • BTLew81
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Ordered! So, Mr. Stoops, it seems it is ok to apply ultimate wax, give it a day to cure, and then apply paint protect over the ultimate for a best of both worlds approach?

    Thanks.

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  • Shawn T.
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Just ordered from AutoGeek. I can't wait to give this a shot!

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  • MagicHands
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Like to check it out, Hey it's Meguiar's

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  • Jeepster04
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Ordered mine! $7 and change shipped!

    Then I turned around and ordered the new 5" thin pads and a new backing plate! Next up is the new buffer!

    Wish ads still got all the new Meg's stuff. This is the first year in probably 5-6 years that I didn't get a ads gift certificate for Christmas.

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  • paulcr39
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    Re: Paint Protect - 365 Day Durability

    Originally posted by The Guz View Post
    It's available on Autogeek. Perfect time to take advantage of the 25% off sale with a no minimum free shipping.

    http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-paint-protect.html
    Thank you Michael (The Guz) for the lead! Order placed.

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