Are holograms and buffer swirls the norm for a BRAND NEW BLACK CAR?

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

I had a related yet unrelated question, if you guys don't mind answering it. I am new to car ownership having lived in NYC till recently. Just bought my replacement car today, a gunmetal gray Honda Accord Coupe. Did not let them do any prep to it. It has a scrape on the bottom front bumper. Looks like a pebble hit it or something, as it's round and pebble shaped. Dealer says if I bring it back he has an outside company who touches that stuff up for them on Fridays. They make all the used cars look good, and touch up things that happen to the new ones in transport. Is this a reasonable thing to let the dealer handle?

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Thanks you have all been very helpful. I really appreciate all of your time and input.

[Daniel Kinder]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

hey galgcon

Glad you got your money back and rid of the DIHO car.

When you buy another car make it clear for them not to wash/prep the car in any way or you will not take it.

I worked at a dealership and if you don't get nasty and make it clear that they had better not wash the car, they will any ways because that is what they are supposed to do and will!

Unless the salesman or owner of the dealership goes and tells them not to wash your new car, it will be washed

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Remember I am a novice, did not own a car in NYC. Is washing the car considered prep to the paint?

Sure but it's limited to removing loose dirt. Most people consider the real prep work to start after washing the car when you clay, (if needed), and then use a product to remove swirls and scratches, (if needed).

Like already stated in this thread, when you go to buy a new car tell them not to wash or wax or detail the car in anyway, even share your recent experience.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Hey all just have to say i have 08 honda civic black. Today i polished it with a 9006 pad and d151. I took out the dealer swirls but when you look really close you can see some micro marring. Mike hopeing you or tim can chime in on this. I used my g100 to apply speed 3 also new pad primed. Tks john.

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[9C1 MAN]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Hey all just have to say i have 08 honda civic black. Today i polished it with a 9006 pad and d151. I took out the dealer swirls but when you look really close you can see some micro marring. Mike hopeing you or tim can chime in on this. I used my g100 to apply speed 3 also new pad primed. Tks john.

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Remember I am a novice, did not own a car in NYC. Is washing the car considered prep to the paint?

[Raymond4646]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

With my new car, be it black or silver, I will be telling the dealer not to detail the car. Should I tell them not to wax it, not to wash it? What instructions will serve me best to give them?

Honestly, Tell them to leave the protective shipping film on the car..No prep what so ever to the paint..

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

With my new car, be it black or silver, I will be telling the dealer not to detail the car. Should I tell them not to wax it, not to wash it? What instructions will serve me best to give them?

[Raymond4646]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Well I pushed the dealer on Superior Shine, and rather than pay the $600 he actually took the car back and is going to issue a check on Monday for a full refund. So, now I have no car... but also no swirls.

I love that car in black. And it would sadden me to settle for a different color, but it might be best in the long run. I have heard that silver cars don't hold their color over time as well as dark cars. That they fade. Any truth to that claim?

Great job on getting your money back. I know it can be a challenge to deal with certain car dealerships. Considering you do not have a garage or proper tools/product to prevent future occurrences, I would suggest, taking your vehicle to Superior Shine's to be prepped. His dedication to 100% satisfaction is out of this world. I’m sure he will give you some pointers as well.

If I were you, I'd get another black car..But, read this forum frontwards and backwards, buy a g110 or other random orbital polisher that will not instill buffer swirls/holograms and step back and relearn how to limit the swirls you instill into your paint. Then, follow up with your polisher with M80 to correct every so often. M80 and the g110 are mild enough to be used as necessary. Just find a cool shady area to wash and polish where you live.

Also do this, only wash your vehicle yourself. No carwashes.. Even the touchless washes use harsh soaps that strip your wax off. Just remember, with a black vehicle your room for error is 0.. There can never be a quick car wash or I'll just quick detail it since it’s a little dusty.. You have to form a dedicated, well thought out plan that allows you to wash the vehicle without instilling any swirls or scratches. And hope that your vehicle is not extremely scratch sensitive. And try to have fun all while doing it.. Just remember, you have an eye for swirls now and it will only become keener as time goes on..Unless you trick them by applying wax every other day to fill in the swirls..

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Well I pushed the dealer on Superior Shine, and rather than pay the $600 he actually took the car back and is going to issue a check on Monday for a full refund. So, now I have no car... but also no swirls.

I love that car in black. And it would sadden me to settle for a different color, but it might be best in the long run. I have heard that silver cars don't hold their color over time as well as dark cars. That they fade. Any truth to that claim?

[premier.mobile1]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

The dealer is willing to pay to have an outside detailer fix it. He is not willing to replace the car with a new untouched one. This is why I was hoping to find someone who could recommend a good detailer in my area.

http://www.superiorshine.com/

Joe at Superior Shine is one of the best I've seen around, and it looks like he may be near you.

[glacon]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

The dealer is willing to pay to have an outside detailer fix it. He is not willing to replace the car with a new untouched one. This is why I was hoping to find someone who could recommend a good detailer in my area.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

Are there any resources anyone could point me to, so that I might find a skilled professional to fix these problems.

You can post a thread here for a Pro Detailer and hopefully someone with a good history on this forum or some other forum will help you out.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=143

What did you pay for the new car?

Should you be having to deal with less clear coat on the car and now having someone else fix it?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?

The majority of the swirls are holograms and resemble the bottom two pictures. There are some cobwebs on the hood though.

That means the swirls were instilled by someone misusing a rotary buffer on your car, if this happened at the dealership then they should pay to have it fixed and you shouldn't trust them to do the job right the second time.

Print this post out and show them the verdict on their work.

Usually works best to print out in Landscape mode.

Remember, each time you have the clear coat on your new car buffed, especially with a rotary buffer, you are removing precious clear paint off the surface which reduces the film-build of the clear layer of paint.

All the UV protection for the basecoat is in the clear layer, so the more clear paint that is removed the less UV protection you have for the basecoat over the service life of the car.

You shouldn't have to accept a new car with rotary buffer swirls.

Ask the owner of the dealership if he would accept this kind of quality?

If he or she says "No", then ask them what they would do?

Tell him you want a brand new version that no one has touched, let them deal with the swirls and finding a person to buy the swirled out brand new car. For the kind of money a new car costs you shouldn't have to accept a swirled out paint job and then have to deal with it.

Just another dealership horror story on a detailing discussion forum.