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Re: Are holograms and buffer swirl the norm for a black car?
If they're fast and good and they don't have to wash the car and more than one person is working on it at one time then maybe, but just the swirl removal process alone using a DA Polisher on the average sized car takes 4-6 hours as you can't move the polisher fast or it doesn't do anything.
It also depends upon how deep the swirls are and how hard or soft the paint is, or how polishable the paint is.
Tell them you'll let them do it but you would like to see them do a small section first and then look at the results both inside the shop and out in the sun. This isn't the best test as a coat of wax can fill in swirls.
Removing swirls and created a swirl free finish is hard to do, especially on black paint, if it were easy everyone could do it. It's usually not a fast process and the reality is that if your car is a daily driver swirls are just going to come back over time just from normal washing and wiping unless you're really good and really careful with how you "touch" the paint.
That's the reality of clear coat paints.
Look at the pictures below and let us know what type of swirls you have, either cobweb type or rotary buffer swirls.
Cobweb Swirls vs Rotary Buffer Swirls
Below is an explanation between the difference between random swirls and scratches that show up in what is commonly referred to as Cobweb Swirls as compared to Rotary Buffer Swirls.
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Actually, the term cobweb swirls or spiderweb swirls comes from the fact that when you look at the paint in such a way as to place the reflection of the sun or another source of bright light so that it's on a painted panel, you'll see what looks like swirls and scratches forming in a circular pattern around the point of light.
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Now if you move around a little bit so as to move the point of light around on the panel you'll see what looks as though the cobweb swirls are following the point of light. The cobweb swirls are not actually following the point of light what's really happening is that the entire finish is so filled with random scratches that wherever you place the point of light you'll see the circular or cobweb pattern show up because the random scratches will reflect the light back towards the center of this point of light. So as you move the point of light around on a painted panel it looks as though the cobweb swirls are following the point of light.
Does that make sense?
The scratches are not specifically circle scratches, they could be a all straight-line scratches but the effect is they look circular because the point of light is circular and the light hitting the hundreds of thousands of scratches are all reflecting back to the center of the point of light making it look as though the scratches are all circular when that's not the case.
Buffer swirls or Buffer Trails or Holograms
Swirls instilled through the use and mis-use of a rotary buffer will tend to show up in a pattern that reflect the direction the rotary buffer was moved over the surface.
Rotary Buffer Instilled Swirls
Rotary Buffer Instilled Swirls
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It also depends upon how deep the swirls are and how hard or soft the paint is, or how polishable the paint is.
Tell them you'll let them do it but you would like to see them do a small section first and then look at the results both inside the shop and out in the sun. This isn't the best test as a coat of wax can fill in swirls.
Removing swirls and created a swirl free finish is hard to do, especially on black paint, if it were easy everyone could do it. It's usually not a fast process and the reality is that if your car is a daily driver swirls are just going to come back over time just from normal washing and wiping unless you're really good and really careful with how you "touch" the paint.
That's the reality of clear coat paints.
Look at the pictures below and let us know what type of swirls you have, either cobweb type or rotary buffer swirls.
Cobweb Swirls vs Rotary Buffer Swirls
Below is an explanation between the difference between random swirls and scratches that show up in what is commonly referred to as Cobweb Swirls as compared to Rotary Buffer Swirls.
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Actually, the term cobweb swirls or spiderweb swirls comes from the fact that when you look at the paint in such a way as to place the reflection of the sun or another source of bright light so that it's on a painted panel, you'll see what looks like swirls and scratches forming in a circular pattern around the point of light.
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Cobweb Scratches or Cobweb Swirls
Now if you move around a little bit so as to move the point of light around on the panel you'll see what looks as though the cobweb swirls are following the point of light. The cobweb swirls are not actually following the point of light what's really happening is that the entire finish is so filled with random scratches that wherever you place the point of light you'll see the circular or cobweb pattern show up because the random scratches will reflect the light back towards the center of this point of light. So as you move the point of light around on a painted panel it looks as though the cobweb swirls are following the point of light.
Does that make sense?
The scratches are not specifically circle scratches, they could be a all straight-line scratches but the effect is they look circular because the point of light is circular and the light hitting the hundreds of thousands of scratches are all reflecting back to the center of the point of light making it look as though the scratches are all circular when that's not the case.
Buffer swirls or Buffer Trails or Holograms
Swirls instilled through the use and mis-use of a rotary buffer will tend to show up in a pattern that reflect the direction the rotary buffer was moved over the surface.
Rotary Buffer Instilled Swirls
Rotary Buffer Instilled Swirls
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