TO flex or not to flex that is the question

[Markus Kleis]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

UPDATE:
I used my FLEX for the second time today on a 10-hour full paint correction on a 2003 Silver/Green Jaguar XJ.

The car had severe water spotting and swirls, and had zero wax. Car had never had paint correction done before.

Started with a foam gun wash, and then a Meg's mild blue clay with Last Touch 1:1 lubricant.

Then I started with the FLEX using #83 and the Lake Country Yellow pad, and #80 with the Lake Country Orange pad I was able to remove 99% of the scratches and swirls. Only the REALLY deep stuff remained. The customer was floored at what I got out of the paint, he was hoping to minimize or hide it at best...I made it go "poof!" Both on speed 5.

I then followed up with a Lake Country blue pad and some Meg's #21 at 1.5 speed.

As the customer said, and I agreed, "Damn, I should sell this car now...it looks better than the day I got it from the showroom."

Sadly, no pics...my sister went out of town and took the DSLR camera- sorry guys.

Bottom line: Being both a Meg's G100 and a FLEX owner, I would recommend the FLEX.

[Superior Shine]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

...I made it go "poof!" Both on speed 5.

So..........the flex will make the car disappear?

[Markus Kleis]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

So..........the flex will make the car disappear?

If you read it carefully you will see the "it" was referring to the damage

The damage that I did this to

and then it went POOF!

[Kevin Brown]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

Kevin if it will make you feel better - I HATE IT TOO!!
I never used one but I'd hate to see you hang'n out there all by yourself!

Now THAT!- Is a true detailing-friend...!
I was starting to feel all rebellious and stuff.

So..........the flex will make the car disappear?

HA HA HA HA !!!
Did you mean that you don't like the looks of those cars?
That's how I read it.

[V.I.P.E.R]

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Renny same here not to be one of those guys' lol i will have to try it more i have used it on 2 cars' did not phase me and tried alot of different products' while useing it i'm a perfectionest and want to see a mirrior when i look into the paint an just want to see me lol i'm sure it does' some good work and makes' for a great machine i will have to try it some more with some other products' i used menzerna stuff last time and was not impressed i will try some hyper and megs' next time to see how she does' its' good to talk and voice opinions' without problems' i'm liking this forum more an more every day

[Kevin Brown]

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To clarify, I didn't like the feel of the machine.
Don't need convincing- Just didn't like it and never will.

But!- It definitely does work well.
Defect removal, finishing... Very good.

I'd like to see a machine just like the G100 or G110 that force-rotates a 5 or six times per minute...
Just enough to keep a pad from flat-spotting (squishing to the point where it contours to the surface and then fails to rotate).

M86 & M105 worked KILLER on the Flex.

Right now, these are the two best products made for defect removal...
BEST of the BEST... HEAD to HEAD... CAN'T be BEAT ! Super-finishing, too.

My rather biased opinion.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

To clarify, I didn't like the feel of the machine.
Don't need convincing- Just didn't like it and never will.

But!- It definitely does work well.
Defect removal, finishing... Very good.

I'd like to see a machine just like the G100 or G110 that force-rotates a 5 or six times per minute...
Just enough to keep a pad from flat-spotting (squishing to the point where it contours to the surface and then fails to rotate).

M86 & M105 worked KILLER on the Flex.

Right now, these are the two best products made for defect removal...
BEST of the BEST... HEAD to HEAD... CAN'T be BEAT ! Super-finishing, too.

My rather biased opinion.

From what I heard neither of those products (M86 or M105) were recommended for the FLEX... you sure they are good for that?

[ZoranC]

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From what I heard neither of those products (M86 or M105) were recommended for the FLEX... you sure they are good for that?

They work just fine with Flex and if anybody is sure when saying something about M86 and M105 Kevin would be one of them, trust me.

[ZoranC]

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But for me... Not my style.
I really wanted to like it but didn't.
Seems that I'm the minority, and that's alright.

To clarify, I didn't like the feel of the machine.
Don't need convincing- Just didn't like it and never will.

... and that is absolutely OK as personal preferences should be sacred.

The Dynabrade attachment is another good option.

Rather heavy though.

I'd like to see a machine just like the G100 or G110 that force-rotates a 5 or six times per minute...

Isn't something very close to that machine already available, all it takes is to put Flex on approximately speed 3?

[Markus Kleis]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

They work just fine with Flex and if anybody is sure when saying something about M86 and M105 Kevin would be one of them, trust me.

Interesting. Well, I guess I better order me some... does either M105 or M86 leave haze/marring with normal cutting pads (like lake country ylw or orange?)

[RamAirV1]

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Yup- If I can do it with a G110 random-orbital...
A forced-rotation machine should be able to handle those defects, too.
The Flex can and does remove 2000 grit marks without a problem.

But for me... Not my style.
I really wanted to like it but didn't.
Seems that I'm the minority, and that's alright.
Stoops & I are the odd-couple, I guess.

For you guys & gals out there that aren't proficient with a rotary, you may like the forced-rotation machines for removing serious defects.

The Dynabrade attachment is another good option.

That is good to know. In your opinion, can the Dynabrade attachment replace the G-100? Does it finish down well enough (with the right product of course) for for someone less experienced so that the paint is LSP ready?

RamAirV1

[Tom Weed]

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Interesting. Well, I guess I better order me some... does either M105 or M86 leave haze/marring with normal cutting pads (like lake country ylw or orange?)

You will be floored with the results you get from using 105, stuff finishes down like like a light polish does, and is awsome at defect removal!

Tom

[TH0001]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

I have used the Flex and really don't see how it would fit my needs. If you are good with a rotary, I see no reason to down grade to a D/A. I just don't like the feel of the machine (although I really don't like the feel of any D/A's).

Also Zoran I am very shocked by your attitude on this post and must say you have matured very quickly. Last night on the Corvetteforum you where berating my opinion of System One (because I think it's not very good) but on this forum you seem to have an attitude like we are all entitled to our opinions.

I am confused by your sudden shift?

[Tim Lingor]

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[Kevin Brown]

Re: TO flex or not to flex that is the question

From what I heard neither of those products (M86 or M105) were recommended for the FLEX... you sure they are good for that?

I don't think either of the liquids-instructions addressed use with a forced-rotation orbital.

This category of machine is interesting to use.
I tried these two products with the FLEX, and they worked well for me.
As mentioned before: If I use a product in a manner not recommended by Meguiar's, I certainly am responsible for the results.
In this situation, both are recommended with rotary but not orbital.

I mentioned the M86/M105 because I'm super-impressed with these liquids and am REALLY REALLY REALLY proud of the team at Meguiar's for delivering world-class products...!

The G110 is a worthy competitor, too- Not in the same realm for super-serious defects, but no slouch.

So...
Any time I can tout the Meguiar's products (liquids, machines, accessories), especially on this site (one of the best of its kind), I feel inclined to do so.

GREAT JOB MEGUIAR'S...!