TO flex or not to flex that is the question

[Tom Weed]

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I have both the Flex 3403 and the 3401. I give them high marks, only problem I've had on the 3401 and the 6.5" softbuff pads is they will cut into the foam just beyond the Velcro on the backing pad, rendering your pad to the trash, easily remedied with using the solo foam pads or Lake county pads with a Velcro backing that covers the entire back. The 3403 is the lightest rotary I've ever used and it's a joy to operate, only thing, if you use it for heavy work, or large pads, it will get pretty hot.

My thinking on this machine, find someone who has one and be your own judge, try before you buy.

Tom

[ZoranC]

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I have used the Flex and really don't see how it would fit my needs. If you are good with a rotary, I see no reason to down grade to a D/A. I just don't like the feel of the machine (although I really don't like the feel of any D/A's).

And that is fine. There is no such thing like a silver bullet. Just like there is no such thing as a polish that will do it all 100% of the time, or no shoes and shirt that will fit us all perfectly 100% of the time, there is also no such thing as a tool that is 100% perfect for 100% of us in 100% of the situations. What works for one does not have to work for others and what works for others does not have to work for you.

"It's a free country" is a beautiful concept.

[V.I.P.E.R]

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Very well said mr. brown

[Justin Murphy]

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I have a good friend who has a FLEX.....got it as a present........and simply loves it. He uses it for 3-6 hours daily and likes the feel of it. I have the G110 (130.00 cheaper) and I love it. Twice as strong as the PC and can get into smaller areas. Simply my all time favorite tool.

If you have the money and do a lot of detailing aka corrections, get the FLEX. It strong and safer than the rotary.

[V.I.P.E.R]

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I have to disagree with the strong and safer part.

[RaskyR1]

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Well I learned how to buff on a rotary and for the first 15 years of my deatiling career it was all I used. I got a PC 3 years ago and it is a great machine too. It's very safe and is great for removing any swirls that may have been left behind fro mthe rotary. I bought my FLEX this Feb and love it! It definitely took some getting used too and for a while I wasn't sure I liked it. It is now my "go to" buffer for retail jobs but I will always keep my rotary around for dealer cars and serious paint correction. I will use my PC for applying wax since it requires a lot less effort to control than the FLEX.

Rasky

[ZoranC]

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I have to disagree with the strong and safer part.

May I ask why you feel this way, please?

[Markus Kleis]

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I have to disagree with the strong and safer part.

Interesting...can you expand on that for the newbies here please

We love information...

[V.I.P.E.R]

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1st off the only way to get true correction is with a rotarty

2nd da's are safe but not the safest nothing is the safest

3rd i don't want to get everyone in a up roar this could go on forever i'm just voicing my opinion like everyone else just cause i don't follow the train like everyone else don't jump on me now i may be new to this forum but not to the detailing seen i did not say the machines' where not good i said for the money i did not think they are worth it

It is like wax everyone says' zymol is to high priced 2000.00 for vintage 8000.00 for royale yes it maybe high priced and there maybe waxes out there that do almost the same for a hell of alot cheaper but the demand for the zymol keeps' it going and the cars' that use it from 100,000.00 to 8.million dollar car' is why people buy it it is a voice of opinion

I voice mine on the other da machines' out there fllex is it nice yes does it take a little time to get use to yes is it different from other da machines' out there yes does' that make it total **** NO again what you might like i may not and that does not make it wrong i like the look and feel i do not like the way it works' i'm old school very old school and rotary is the way i go yes i have a pc but i never do real work with it i have tried it does' not give me results' and the flex and metabo da's i used did not give the results' i wanted i do alot of cars' that are very high end and perfection is what they need and want so for me they do not do what i want them to do and for the price i can not see spending the money

Again it may do what you want to your satisfaction but not mine and i see the forum head mike p. seems' to say in a video rotary is the only way to get true correction

[Markus Kleis]

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VIPER, I can't speak for the other guys, but I think that you possibly misunderstood what I was getting at.

I TOTALLY hear you and agree about preference and the fact that there is no "best" tool out there because everyone has their own styles and preferences.

I think that I, and a few others were just curious about the specific point you made about a rotary being SAFER than a FLEX. No one said the FLEX was the "safest," but I don't think you really explained *how* a rotary could be safER than the FLEX.

Granted, I am not a pro...but my understanding has always been that a rotary has the most POTENTIAL to do harm due to the increased power and lack of self-correcting motions...so please expand on how that is not the case for us newbies

[ZoranC]

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3rd i don't want to get everyone in a up roar this could go on forever i'm just voicing my opinion like everyone else just cause i don't follow the train like everyone else don't jump on me now

Nobody is going to jump on you for stating an opinion but I am sure that everybody will like to know why you have certain opinion. Without knowing why we can not learn.

1st off the only way to get true correction is with a rotarty

Can you please tell us what is your definition of a "true correction", why you feel rotary is the only way to achieve it, why you feel nothing else but rotary can achieve it?

[Mike Phillips]

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Just a reminder... as both Tim and I are keeping our eye on this thread...

It's great to see spirited and deep conversations taking place on the forum




Lets just continue to keep them courteous.

Thank you.

[Renny Doyle]

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I was not an easy sell. We tried every manufacturer we could find. When I first used the Flex...I sat it down and walked away. A few days later, I tired again and this time with new products and pads...the results made me come back to it the next day. With each use, I could clearly see that I was working less and obtaining better results!

Now, we are really reaching out there and I can tell you this...with 105 and a couple other products we have used...this machine is making us more profits while allowing our quality to be at a much higher level. I have more

Meguiar's pads and 105 on the way plus some additional products/pads I have just read about...so we are at the early stages of seeing just what this tool can do for us!

I will share this...so far we are detailing cars that were 3-5 steps and doing so with the Flex in one or two steps! For those of us making a living detailing...that is huge! Keep it up Meguiar's...we love this 105 and I dare you to out do yourself again

Renny same here not to be one of those guys' lol i will have to try it more i have used it on 2 cars' did not phase me and tried alot of different products' while

useing it i'm a perfectionest and want to see a mirrior when i look into the paint an just want to see me lol i'm sure it does' some good work and makes' for a great machine i will have to try it some more with some other products' i used
menzerna stuff last time and was not impressed i will try some hyper and megs' next time to see how she does' its' good to talk and voice opinions' without problems' i'm liking this forum more an more every day

[RaskyR1]

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I was not an easy sell. We tried every manufacturer we could find. When I first used the Flex...I sat it down and walked away. A few days later, I tired again and this time with new products and pads...the results made me come back to it the next day. With each use, I could clearly see that I was working less and obtaining better results!


Now, we are really reaching out there and I can tell you this...with 105 and a couple other products we have used...this machine is making us more profits while allowing our quality to be at a much higher level. I have more

Meguiar's pads and 105 on the way plus some additional products/pads I have just read about...so we are at the early stages of seeing just what this tool can do for us!

I will share this...so far we are detailing cars that were 3-5 steps and doing so with the Flex in one or two steps! For those of us making a living detailing...that is huge! Keep it up Meguiar's...we love this 105 and I dare you to out do yourself again

What pads are you using the M105 with? W-7006? I tired it with the W-8006 and it gummed up a little....I may have been using too much product though...

[Renny Doyle]

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Once I get the right combo...I will post that combo here! Right now its a work in progress!

What pads are you using the M105 with? W-7006? I tired it with the W-8006 and it gummed up a little....I may have been using too much product though...