Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

[ffboy]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

Ok here is the update i did the other side today using my makita and a foam pad and its made a big difference it went on and went off really good. With that said i still think this product should not be used my hand and if so there should be better direction on the label. Explaining how to apply in a small 12x12 inch area apply in hard pressure and in circles and don't let dry.And what i have seen here with other not "pro level guys" they two have been having bad results till they learn the tricks.

It can be frustrating at first, that is true. Non-pro level guys (i think i qualify in that category) especially novices can have problems at first, but its part of the learning process too. Ultimate compound is a user friendly consumer level product even by hand but its still more work than applying wax for sure. Basically, its for people who are limited to hand application or people who don't have DA polishers, ultimate compound will still require elbow grease definitely. I wouldn't say hard pressure by hand, just a bit more pressure but not too much. Its actually more of starting with moderate pressure, then lighten up the pressure as it breaks down.

But ultimate compound sill work best with a machine buffer (Dual Action polisher), no question about it, and alot less tiring! With the directions, well... I agree with you because if i were a detailing newbie (as in ZERO knowledge), i would find the instructions kinda vague, a bit lacking, or even misleading (no offense to megs). I would definitely need more details.

Oh, and its nice you found your solution to your Ultimate compound issues. I hope you contiue to use it since you seem to have superior results now

[Selectchoice]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

The pad you used was just fine to apply the product. This black pad you've used is exactly the same as the yellow Meguiar's hand pads except for the colour.

The pressure you need to apply is more to do with the level of defect you are trying to remove than a "standard" product recommendation. Basically, you don't have to use a heap of pressure if your defects are small, or your paint is sensitive or on the softer side of things. Alternately, if you have severe defects, use more pressure, smaller work area etc.

I'd say it is more likely something to do with your paint. Did you wash, clay or otherwide before using Ultimate Compound? Was the panel warm or hot to the touch? Was the foam pad you used new, because if it has any other product on it it'll effect the performance of the product.

I have used Ultimate Compound on many different types of paints, both by hand, and DA polisher. Looking at your videos, you do need to work it in a bit more as it's not a wipe on wipe off product. It needs to be worked for a time, and again that time depends on your paint, and your defects which will differ from car to car.

However, having said that, Ultimate Compound should not dry up like it did on your paint. It is the type of product that stays wet from start to finish. If you poured some straight out of the bottle onto the paint for example, you could wipe it straight up, it doesn't dry up.

Perhaps your paint is on the drier side, which is hard to determine from a video, but if it is, your paint could be drawing the moisture out of the Ultimate Compound and making it dry up like it did. In this case you could try the older M80/M83 style of product. They have more oils to feed and nourish the paint, and tend to work on drier paints much better.

[angel85lx]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

The pad you used was just fine to apply the product. This black pad you've used is exactly the same as the yellow Meguiar's hand pads except for the colour.

The pressure you need to apply is more to do with the level of defect you are trying to remove than a "standard" product recommendation. Basically, you don't have to use a heap of pressure if your defects are small, or your paint is sensitive or on the softer side of things. Alternately, if you have severe defects, use more pressure, smaller work area etc.

I'd say it is more likely something to do with your paint. Did you wash, clay or otherwide before using Ultimate Compound? Was the panel warm or hot to the touch? Was the foam pad you used new, because if it has any other product on it it'll effect the performance of the product.

I have used Ultimate Compound on many different types of paints, both by hand, and DA polisher. Looking at your videos, you do need to work it in a bit more as it's not a wipe on wipe off product. It needs to be worked for a time, and again that time depends on your paint, and your defects which will differ from car to car.

However, having said that, Ultimate Compound should not dry up like it did on your paint. It is the type of product that stays wet from start to finish. If you poured some straight out of the bottle onto the paint for example, you could wipe it straight up, it doesn't dry up.

Perhaps your paint is on the drier side, which is hard to determine from a video, but if it is, your paint could be drawing the moisture out of the Ultimate Compound and making it dry up like it did. In this case you could try the older M80/M83 style of product. They have more oils to feed and nourish the paint, and tend to work on drier paints much better.

I washed and clayed it before applying in shade and temps where around 75. And in the vid i did not apply that much pressure because it would dry faster and be even harder to us. But like u said even just with a light pressure and those few sec of dry time it did dry fast in my opinion. I will re try on another of my cars using a more pressure and small area and see how it goes.

[ffboy]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

I would use about a medium-light to medium pressure at most when applying ultimate compound. I would do the entire car first rather than focus too much on a small area, then check parts that may not have been "corrected" sufficiently. It works for me, plus i don't get too tired that much. I also find that applying constistent, even pressure works better than putting too much pressure.

It can actually dry up on you as you work the UC, if it does, i saw in one youtube video that you just apply ultimate compound over the dried area and it will reconstitute itself, and as michael stoops said in the video "like dissolvels like". If you see that video, you will also notice that he isn't actually bearing down on the car/product/applicator to correct it. Its more of an even, constant/consistent pressure over a small area. Not really working the UC like there's no tomorrow.

[dsc325]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

from what i see, you guys are using compound like it's wax. there's a process when doing a vehicle like: wash,clay,compound,polish,wax! every step accomodates the other. it's important that you clay the vehicle from contaminants. what you miss from the clay,the compound gets,but when using the compound it's totally better with a buffer because you take out all scratches& imperfections.

[ffboy]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

absolutely. Buffers save time, you get superior results, and its a lot less tiring.

[dtuna42]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

I just wanted to add that if you're going to compound by hand, you should start with a lot less product on the pad, and do much smaller sections. As someone else mentioned earlier, rub in until you hear the squeak (foam pad or cotton towel even works for this part, because cotton / terry actually cuts fairly well). After hearing the squeak, do a few more rubs, then immediately remove excess with a microfiber towel - nothing else works as well as microfiber to get rid of the haze.
Seriously though, if you need to do entire cars, start saving for a polisher. And from experience, I will suggest to save up long enough to buy your second tool the first time out. That way you won't waste money on something you don't like and need to replace anyway...

[chessplayer]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

ultimate compound is a wipe on -wipe off product

[wifpd4]

Re: Ultimate Compound help!!!! Videos inside to show the issues i have.

Notice how you are holding the pad at about 7 to 8 seconds into your second video. Your finger tips may be causing isolated pressure points and could possibly cause additional defects.

Look at the third photograph in this post: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...l=1#post414211

Notice how his fingers are flat on the pad. This creates a uniform distribution of pressure. Less likely to cause concentrated pressure and additional defects. Much like using a DA buffer.

Note too the caption about not letting the product dry:

There is no need to let either of these products dry; simply wipe them off using our Supreme Shine Microfiber Towel, turning to a clean section for your final wipe.