Surface comes out streaky and oily

[Marcus]

I'd like to know how that works in countries like Sweden, should we contact our local Meguiar's official distributor (which probably doesn't have a clue about the issue) or can we contact the U.S. office? (Considering today is the fourth of july I don't expect any answer until the end of the week.. )

/Marcus

[RedSoxRacer]

Bueller?.......Bueller?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by RedSoxRacer
Bueller?.......Bueller?

Thank you for your patience. Now that I'm back from vacation and back online, I'll see if I can get some help from my co-workers with this thread and this issue.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
Thank you for your patience. Now that I'm back from vacation and back online, I'll see if I can get some help from my co-workers with this thread and this issue.

Any more vacation pics?

[Mike Phillips]

One point I would like to re-focus some attention on in this thread is that the polymers used in all three of these products,

M21
NXT liquid
NXT Paste

Requires a window of time anywhere from 0 to 24 hours to completely and fully set-up. There is no way to know exactly when all of the polymers have fully set-up and this is why the chemists have suggested this window of time to be allowed to pass. In some areas on your car's paint the polymers may set-up quickly, within minutes or a few hours and in other places it may require more time, there is no way to measure this in a practical manner.

If you wipe the surface before these polymers have fully cured or set-up, you are in essence moving them around, and even off the car with your microfiber polishing cloth, (or whatever you're wiping with).

Back when NXT was Lab Sample D, I remember one of our chemists showing me how after wiping the NXT off the finish, (so you have a clean, shiny finish), then to come back and make another wipe over the same panel would for an instant create a visible film or haze which would then disappear in seconds. He explained these were the polymers being moved or re-distributed on the surface and what we had just done was disrupted them from where they were originally sitting on the surface.

Of course everyone wants a wax that wipes off and looks great with no effort and only one application but at the same time everyone wants a polymer that protects their finish from attack and deterioration. I've been told the polymer(s) used in these products offer the best protection current technology offers against attack from the kind of elements that our cars are typically exposed to and the science behind these polymers demands that after wiping off of the excess product from the surface, what's left behind requires a window of time from and extreme of 0 to 24 hours and I think how it's written up here is 0 to 12 hours, (because in most cases or geographical locations the chemist thinks that the majority of these polymers will have set-up),

NXT Tech Wax Cure Time


Until these polymers have fully set-up, to go back in and wipe and wipe and wipe is going to do nothing but disrupt and agitate these polymers.

This is actually true for most/all paint protection type products, that is to continue to wipe the surface, (after initial removal of the excess product), will continue to disrupt the micron thin layer of product you have left behind until it is fully set-up, whether it be natural ingredient such as Carnauba wax or a man-made ingredient.

(If you think about this in its simplest form, to continue wiping the surface with a polishing cloth isn't going to add more wax, so the opposite of adding is subtracting or removing, so to continue wiping a surface is likely going to continue to remove what was left behind or at a minimum move it around if it has not fully set-up)

Just something to consider as you're working with these products or any products.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Monk
Any more vacation pics?

Yes, I'll be adding a few more if I ever get caught up...

[inthedetails]

Mike,

When I see the streaks..and it is not every use....they usually are in the pattern left by the PC.

You know how when you go over you area the second time, in the opposite direction there are area at the edge of the pad that seem thinner? These are where I will see some of the streaks.

Other time the streaks seem to follow whatever buffer pattern I have used.

[mh68]

Originally posted by inthedetails
Mike,

When I see the streaks..and it is not every use....they usually are in the pattern left by the PC.

You know how when you go over you area the second time, in the opposite direction there are area at the edge of the pad that seem thinner? These are where I will see some of the streaks.

Other time the streaks seem to follow whatever buffer pattern I have used.

Same here, weather put on by hand or PC, the streaks follow the pattern of how it was put on.

Mike

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
One point I would like to re-focus some attention on in this thread is that the polymers used in all three of these products,

M21
NXT liquid
NXT Paste

Requires a window of time anywhere from 0 to 24 hours to completely and fully set-up. There is no way to know exactly when all of the polymers have fully set-up and this is why the chemists have suggested this window of time to be allowed to pass. In some areas on your car's paint the polymers may set-up quickly, within minutes or a few hours and in other places it may require more time, there is no way to measure this in a practical manner.

If you wipe the surface before these polymers have fully cured or set-up, you are in essence moving them around, and even off the car with your microfiber polishing cloth, (or whatever you're wiping with).

Back when NXT was Lab Sample D, I remember one of our chemists showing me how after wiping the NXT off the finish, (so you have a clean, shiny finish), then to come back and make another wipe over the same panel would for an instant create a visible film or haze which would then disappear in seconds. He explained these were the polymers being moved or re-distributed on the surface and what we had just done was disrupted them from where they were originally sitting on the surface.

Of course everyone wants a wax that wipes off and looks great with no effort and only one application but at the same time everyone wants a polymer that protects their finish from attack and deterioration. I've been told the polymer(s) used in these products offer the best protection current technology offers against attack from the kind of elements that our cars are typically exposed to and the science behind these polymers demands that after wiping off of the excess product from the surface, what's left behind requires a window of time from and extreme of 0 to 24 hours and I think how it's written up here is 0 to 12 hours, (because in most cases or geographical locations the chemist thinks that the majority of these polymers will have set-up),

NXT Tech Wax Cure Time


Until these polymers have fully set-up, to go back in and wipe and wipe and wipe is going to do nothing but disrupt and agitate these polymers.

This is actually true for most/all paint protection type products, that is to continue to wipe the surface, (after initial removal of the excess product), will continue to disrupt the micron thin layer of product you have left behind until it is fully set-up, whether it be natural ingredient such as Carnauba wax or a man-made ingredient.

(If you think about this in its simplest form, to continue wiping the surface with a polishing cloth isn't going to add more wax, so the opposite of adding is subtracting or removing, so to continue wiping a surface is likely going to continue to remove what was left behind or at a minimum move it around if it has not fully set-up)

Just something to consider as you're working with these products or any products.

Very good points! Isn't something similar happening when you try to remove the sealant before it is fully hazed over (passes the swipe test)? One thing I noticed is that if I waited 12 hours to wipe off the #21 (waiting that long for it to fully haze over), removal was very easy and there were zero streaks! It looked great and did a great job of filling in swirls too! I applied some on another panel and waited about an hour. It did streak that time. Seems like the drying time was just much longer than usual for some reason. I do realize that #21 is designed to have a higher wetting properties so it can be used with a rotary buffer.

RamAirV1

[sneek]

, how do i contact my retailer if he is 10000 miles away I tried M21 on a dark blue prelude today and i got the steaking, i even tried the tips from the final wiping thread. The only thing i can do it wait for M21 to set longer, i found that if i let the 21 set for 30mins+ there is little or no streaking.

but what should i do about my product?? I don't think its worth shipping back

[RedSoxRacer]

Originally posted by RedSoxRacer
Is there a product code on the bottles of bad product so we can tell if we have some of the bad batch?

Just wanted to get this to the front again.
Any word on this?

Thanks

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by RedSoxRacer
Just wanted to get this to the front again.
Any word on this?

Thanks

Management does not support the idea of posting batch codes for any products for any reason, instead if you feel your product is not performing to specification, then we encourage you to return the product to the place you purchased it or contact our Customer Care Department.

1-800-347-5700


That's the word I've been given to post to this thread.

[gb387]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
One point I would like to re-focus some attention on in this thread is that the polymers used in all three of these products,

M21
NXT liquid
NXT Paste

Requires a window of time anywhere from 0 to 24 hours to completely and fully set-up. There is no way to know exactly when all of the polymers have fully set-up and this is why the chemists have suggested this window of time to be allowed to pass. In some areas on your car's paint the polymers may set-up quickly, within minutes or a few hours and in other places it may require more time, there is no way to measure this in a practical manner.

If you wipe the surface before these polymers have fully cured or set-up, you are in essence moving them around, and even off the car with your microfiber polishing cloth, (or whatever you're wiping with).

Back when NXT was Lab Sample D, I remember one of our chemists showing me how after wiping the NXT off the finish, (so you have a clean, shiny finish), then to come back and make another wipe over the same panel would for an instant create a visible film or haze which would then disappear in seconds. He explained these were the polymers being moved or re-distributed on the surface and what we had just done was disrupted them from where they were originally sitting on the surface.

Of course everyone wants a wax that wipes off and looks great with no effort and only one application but at the same time everyone wants a polymer that protects their finish from attack and deterioration. I've been told the polymer(s) used in these products offer the best protection current technology offers against attack from the kind of elements that our cars are typically exposed to and the science behind these polymers demands that after wiping off of the excess product from the surface, what's left behind requires a window of time from and extreme of 0 to 24 hours and I think how it's written up here is 0 to 12 hours, (because in most cases or geographical locations the chemist thinks that the majority of these polymers will have set-up),

NXT Tech Wax Cure Time


Until these polymers have fully set-up, to go back in and wipe and wipe and wipe is going to do nothing but disrupt and agitate these polymers.

This is actually true for most/all paint protection type products, that is to continue to wipe the surface, (after initial removal of the excess product), will continue to disrupt the micron thin layer of product you have left behind until it is fully set-up, whether it be natural ingredient such as Carnauba wax or a man-made ingredient.

(If you think about this in its simplest form, to continue wiping the surface with a polishing cloth isn't going to add more wax, so the opposite of adding is subtracting or removing, so to continue wiping a surface is likely going to continue to remove what was left behind or at a minimum move it around if it has not fully set-up)

Just something to consider as you're working with these products or any products.

Very interesting reading here.... thanks for the post!

[4Rings]

A few things that need to be considered with the NXT Liquid Wax problem:

1 - The is a product sold under the retail, not professional banner. It is supplied with a hand applicator pad. Solutions to the problem that include machines are not solutions.

2 - Further, as a retail product in the serious premium class category, surely it should not be a hit and miss affair to get a good result? Fair enough, gloss is fantastic, but the patches and streaks do detract.

3 - Solutions that suggest using S/Detailer as an essential last step are also not solutions. Meg's does not include S/Detailer in the Nxt Wax box. The wax is your last step. It must look the part.

4 - After 20 pages of threads, no clear answers. As they say on the African continent - Eish!

[inthedetails]

An update to follow:

My latest #21 experience and some solutions, kinda.

I will post in a bit with some pictures.