Surface comes out streaky and oily

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by Meguiar's Car Maniac
Thanks for the post RamAirV1,

It seems everybody agrees when it is still 'wet' to remove it with a QD, and I do myself.

The problem with the customers here is that they show up 3-4 days after noticing the problem waiting for a real explanation and asking how to prevent them...
not just solving the problem after...
And all of them (3) argued again and again they did not have the problem with their previous brand...this is what makes me

Mike,
I really need a good argument/explanation that stands...

Thanks

One other thing I forgot to mention is that my #21 turned lumpy. It was not like that originally and I haven't had trouble until recently with streaking. I'm going to send mine to the chemists at Meguiars so they can have a look at it. My bottle is half used up so I don't mind sending it. I always wondered if consistency changes are a cause for concern. Now I will find out and the question will be answered.

I have plenty of MPPP to hold me over for now LOL! MPPP will not streak in high humidity if it is hot. It only streaks in cold weather, and that is because it takes much longer to dry in cold temps. In high heat and humidity works fine.

RamAirV1

[technik]

Yes, Mike. We really need an explanation for it...

NXT Tech does have a problem of leaving streaky and oily on darker paint surface

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by technik
Yes, Mike. We really need an explanation for it...

NXT Tech does have a problem of leaving streaky and oily on darker paint surface

Did you use the NXT Paste or Liquid? I have not had the Paste streak on me at all. The liquid would streak if a heavy coat was applied. The Spray Booster Wax would streak like crazy if the humidity was high.

I know the Paste and Liquid are supposed to be the same, but the Paste seems quite a bit different to me. It dries more quickly, seems to last a bit longer and gives a little more POP. It seems that the Paste has less solvent content in it. This is just IMHO. I find that the #21 topped with the NXT Paste is a very nice combination!

RamAirV1

[technik]

I use NXT liquid and apply through orbital polisher using a small content.

What have I done wrong?

[fishbonezken]

technik,
what did you do before hand for the prepping and cleaning process?

[Monk]

Originally posted by Meguiar's Car Maniac
Thanks for the post RamAirV1,

It seems everybody agrees when it is still 'wet' to remove it with a QD, and I do myself.

...But doesn't this "cut" the wax

[technik]

Originally posted by fishbonezken
technik,
what did you do before hand for the prepping and cleaning process?

I use claybar for prepping and cleaning (mainly on the bonnet, roof and boots area) then I applied Meguiars Step 2 - Polish to obtain the maximium shine..

NXT Tech sorta ruin everything afterward

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by Monk
...But doesn't this "cut" the wax

Good point. You're not supposed to put QD or water on the finish until the sealant has had a chance to cure. Could be as long as 24 hours, but could be shorter in warm weather.

RamAirV1

[edison_GTI]

I was just having the same problem this weekend. I was using the NXT Tech Wax for the first time on my black GTI. I stopped using it until I could find out was the problem was. I was hot here in Atlanta, but I don't think it was that humid. I'll try again with the water spray idea.

[TH0001]

So the problem is with both Nxt and 21 I guess. I have noticed it on both. On Corvetteforum they had a post with 25 or so replies with people noticeing the same thing using NXT. I guess its not an isolated incidient. I would like to know a reason behind this.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Monk
If it is doing this on dark cars, my guess would be that it is doing it on lighter color cars, you just aren't able to see it.

This is correct. I touch on this in a similar type article here,

Which LSP is better for light colors?

Originally posted by Cipitio
Hi everybody,

I have a silver and a white car. I was thinking on increase my stock of Meguiar's LSP (couple of tins of #16).

I read a lot that NXT and #26 are awesome for dark color cars.

I want to know your opinion about the best choice on LSP for light color cars.

Thank you for your responses.

Hi Cipitio,

Here's the deal,

First of all, 99% of all cars being manufactured today have a clear coat, so keep in mind, most people are not working on a pigmented paint, but on clear paint. Clear paint is simply resin without color.

That said, if a car wax, or polish will make a dark or black colored paint look great, it's also making a light colored finish look great too it's just your eyes can't see the difference. This is why the best test for a product is always on dark colors and black paint specifically. The true results of a product are going to be the most apparent on black paint, whether its a single-stage finish or a clear coated finish.

The color that is the least efficient at demonstrating a difference is white paint, whether it's a single-stage, or a clear coated finish. This is why Meguiar's performs all of their testing on black paint.

What you see discussed on forums and elsewhere on the topic of some waxes being better on light colors and some waxes being better on dark colors is simply confusion.

You'll often read where someone will say,

"Brand X is great on light colors",

what is implied is that brand X doesn't make dark colors look good. If a wax or polish can't make a dark color look good, it isn't making a light color look good, your eyes just can't evaluate the difference.

The best waxes for appearance quality makes all colors look good and you can know this by whether or not the wax makes dark colors look good.

Think about it for a second, if you have two identical cars, for example two Honda Accura's. One is white with a clear coat finish and the other is black with a clear coat finish, if a wax makes the black Accura look great, knowing you're working on the same kind of paint, (a clear coat), it's reasonable to assume that it's going to make the white Accura look great, it's just you're eyes won't perceive the difference as easily as they would with the black Accura.

Conversely, if a wax doesn't make the black Accura look good, it's reasonable to assume it's not going to make the white Accura look good for the same reasons outlined above.

-Mike Phillips

[Meguiar's Car Maniac]

Thanks for the post but this doesn't help on how to prevent these ?

I did a complete detail job on a dark green metallic today, coated with M21, I didn't have any problem...and never had before on any color!

So my question again,
is it because my customers are not cleaning the paint correctly before the coat of wax, or...?

Thanks Mike...

[RCBuddha]

For those who are getting streaks: are you using a QD to wipe off the dried wax? Or are you wiping the wax with a dry MF, then trying QD?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by TH0001
So the problem is with both NXT and 21 I guess. I have noticed it on both. On CorvetteForum they had a post with 25 or so replies with people noticing the same thing using NXT. I guess its not an isolated incident. I would like to know a reason behind this.

First a hello to everyone posting in this thread, I've seen this thread growing but have not had the time to reply and to tell you the truth I too see similar comments about darker and lighter areas when using NXT Tech Wax and sometimes M21, but in my own detailing work I do on the side I have not experienced the issue.

I'm pretty consistent in my process on all cars too and it goes like this,

• * Surface Prep - Whatever it takes to make things right.
  * Apply Wax - I always apply using a W-9006 on the G100 on speed setting 3.0
  * Allow wax to dry until it swipes clear, this time frame would tend to be always on the longer side versus the shorter side.
  * Remove wax using a microfiber polishing bonnet on a W-7006 forum cutting pad on the G100 on the 5.0 setting.
  * Apply a second application after at least 30 minutes passes after first application has been wiped off.
  * Remove second application using the microfiber bonnet with the G100.
  * One good final wipe using the slow wiping technique I outline here, Final Wiping Techniques.

Following this process I just can't say I ever see the streaking or lighter/darker patches in the finish problem but I've also geared everything to work in my favor.


Here's what streaks, or lighter and darker patches in the finish are, the darker areas is product that has not been completely wiped off or the lighter areas would tend to be areas that didn't get the same uniform deposit of product as the surrounding areas, thus it's lighter, or less rich in either color or clarity.

I've discussed this with Mike Pennington, our Director of Training and he's said that this appearance issue has been seen in the past on some cars but the problem can usually be traced back to either surface prep, application or removal and the tools and/or polishing cloths used to remove the wax.

Out of all the people that have chimed in on this thread and posted their experience with streaks or lighter/darker patches, are applying the wax once or twice and are you experiencing the problem in both situations?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Meguiar's Car Maniac
Thanks for the post but this doesn't help on how to prevent these ?

I did a complete detail job on a dark green metallic today, coated with M21, I didn't have any problem...and never had before on any color!

So my question again,
is it because my customers are not cleaning the paint correctly before the coat of wax, or...?

Thanks Mike...

Neither M21 or NXT Tech wax are what you would classify as a cleaner/wax, they are formulated to be applied to finishes in good condition to start with. So if your customers are working on daily drivers, then chances are very good that before using either NXT Tech Wax or M21 on their car's finish they need to,

Wash
Clay
Clean

Then apply NXT Tech Wax or M21

If they are working on daily drivers and they do not want to do this many steps, basically they want to wash and wax then either Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax, (A12), or ColorX would be a better product for them to use on their cars.