Surface comes out streaky and oily

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by 4Rings
A few things that need to be considered with the NXT Liquid Wax problem:

Are you personally having problems with NXT Tech Wax?

The reason I ask is that I personally have not had these issues with this product and I've used as much and likely more of this product than most people. Correctly applied, allowed to dry and then wiped-off, it leaves a uniform finish on the paints I apply it to.

I detail my own cars, I detail customer cars and I teach classes here almost every Saturday where we have always have a different car with different paint systems, in different states of condition and each Saturday, we clay, prep and then apply NXT Tech Wax and then stand back, allow the owner to pull out their car and let everyone inspect the results and I've never seen these appearance problems with the NXT Tech Wax.


We did this last weekend with Prowler owners,






And I'll be doing this tomorrow with Lexus owners. When ever I can, I always choose a black car to demonstrate with.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by inthedetails
An update to follow:

My latest #21 experience and some solutions, kinda. I will post in a bit with some pictures.

Hi Dave, thanks for taking the time to call me about this just a few minutes ago also for taking the time to experiment with this product on the car you're detailing today.

I've been in discussions over the issues with M21 brought up in this thread with Jason Rose who is our Field Marketing Manager for our Professional Line and he's been tied-up with other projects and away from his computer. I know this issue, and this thread are on his priority list of things to do and when he can he'll be joining with me to address this issue.

[4Rings]

Hi Mike,

Yes I have experienced this problem with both Nxt Tech Wax Liquid and Synth Sealant. It's not that recent either - this goes back to about March. I kinda overlooked it until I was showing off my car to a buddy and he asked about the streaks (I think he called them stains). This popped my bubble. I would consider myself a serious enthusiast - I own my own rotary buffer (but I apply Nxt Wax by hand only) and a host of Megs retail and pro kit.

Wish I could be at one of your classes but I am 10000 miles away. I am going to try some of the suggestions from this thread tomorrow. Using my pearlecent black baby as a guinea pig! I'll let you know the results, perhaps even a pic if it shows up clearly.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by 4Rings

I am going to try some of the suggestions from this thread tomorrow. Using my pearlecent black baby as a guinea pig! I'll let you know the results, perhaps even a pic if it shows up clearly.

Sounds good. I have a black car and a very dark metallic blue car coming up to detail and I'll be watching my results very carefully on these cars.

[sneek]

I seriously think that if let the wax set for a longer time you won't have any problems, I tired it today on an old Civic and one side I wiped off after only 20mins and the other side i let set for about 35ish mins. and there was zero streaking on the side that I let set for longer. The side that i only let sit for 20 mins passed the swipe test so I am confuzed!!

[4Rings]

I've already told my wife that I am in the garage all day tomorrow - no shopping for me - just waxing on, waiting, watching, waxing off. Perhaps Nxt Tech Wax is a case to prove that those guys prediciting doom and gloom with our planets climate are right......

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by sneek
I seriously think that if let the wax set for a longer time you won't have any problems, I tired it today on an old Civic and one side I wiped off after only 20mins and the other side i let set for about 35ish mins. and there was zero streaking on the side that I let set for longer. The side that i only let sit for 20 mins passed the swipe test so I am confuzed!!

I do think you are onto something there. But there is no standard waiting time. I waited an hour on my last test spot, and that was not long enough. Two nights before that, I had applied some #21 and forgot about it. I got up the next morning, about 10 hours later, and it wiped right off. There were no streaks, just a perfect finish with very good swirl filling ability.

It sounds to me like there may be too much wetting with some of the #21, though I know it was designed to stay wet longer. But how many people apply it with a rotary buffer?

Being in a humid environment, like here in Indiana, doesn't help matters either.

RamAirV1

[scrub]

Originally posted by sneek
I seriously think that if let the wax set for a longer time you won't have any problems, I tired it today on an old Civic and one side I wiped off after only 20mins and the other side i let set for about 35ish mins. and there was zero streaking on the side that I let set for longer. The side that i only let sit for 20 mins passed the swipe test so I am confuzed!!

Here is the result of a swipe test after an hour and a half wait...

[sneek]

lol that wax looks like it's never goign to set!!

I will try letting wax set on the Civic all night tonight...then i have another Civic detail tomorrow!..both free details

[TH0001]

I have experienced problems with both NXT liquid and 21.

Some follow ups...

I was told that the 64 oz Synethic Sealents where the only ones that had this problem. I recieved a "free" 64 oz replacement that I haven't used yet because I have two sample bottles of 21 that I would like to use first. I have experienced streaking on black with both of these samples, and have gone as far to let 21 set for over an hour.

I have let the NXT liquid set as long as 2 hours and still gotten streaking, which leads me to believe that set time is not the problem. Now product that is labled as a wax as is sold to the consumer market should have a set time this long. Also, my bottle of NXT has become seperated and takes about 10 minutes of vigours shaking to stabilze. Also, once it becomes stabiliezed, if I don't contiune to shake, it seperates in minutes. I have clear liquid leaking out the sides of the cap from shaking so hard!

I recieved NXT paste from Meguiars as a replacement and have not had a problem with it.

[mh68]

I have let the NXT liquid set as long as 2 hours and still gotten streaking, which leads me to believe that set time is not the problem. Now product that is labled as a wax as is sold to the consumer market should have a set time this long.

I agree. I really like the gloss that NXT gives when it does wipe off, but I don't have the time to let it set for hours. I'm on a limited time schedule as I have to have cars done before I go to my main job. It's gotten bad enough to where I have to use a different product on dark colored cars. I really don't like doing that either since I pride my work on using Megs products.

Mike

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by scrub
Here is the result of a swipe test after an hour and a half wait...

You are probably affected by the high humidity like I am.

I never had any issues either with the NXT Paste. Once the paste came out I hardly ever use the liquid. Humidity, heat, cold, whatever, does not seem to affect the paste. It always dries very quickly.

RamAirV1

[Monk]

Originally posted by scrub
Here is the result of a swipe test after an hour and a half wait...

Same here with NXT Liquid. Switched waxes.

[inthedetails]

Ok Sorry for the late reply, but beer and pizza took priority.

As Mike said I did call him, just to get a clearer picture of what was being said here. I was detailing a 06 Benz E230 Kompressor....of course it was black.

I followed my normal routine, which consisted of a wash, clay, #83 and then #80. All went well and I was suprised at how easy the paint was to work with. I also was somewhat unsettled knowing I might have an issue with my LSP.

I put the #21 with the PC at a speed of 3. I was careful to cover all areas with a thin coat.

I then began doing all the **** I do while waiting for it to cure. Dressed tires, cleaned glass, polished the tailpipe...........

I swiped several times during this and it wasn't ready. It was warm here...eighties, but not real humid.

I re-checked the hood after doing some other stuff and it appeared ready. I buffed off a 2' square area, and you could plainly see the streaks where the PC strokes had overlapped.

I then decided to call Mike for some moral support!

Mike and went over everything above and really did not come up with any new ideas or factors. I had pulled the car out into the sun, as I had remember this helping last year when I had similar problems with NXT. The streaked area cleaned right up, and there were no more streaks. The other areas, that I had not wiped down yet, also cleaned easily. They however tended to have a "smeary" look. Kind of like what Mike described in his last post about the polymers. However, once I returned the car to the shade, and wiped it again, the "smeary" look disappeared.

I think that it is going to boil down to a set up issue. Even as I look back on yesterday, it is entirely possible that I needed to wait longer. The issue then becomes how long will you, can you wait for this product to set up?

The sun trick certainly helps, and I will continue to use it until I switch to another product or figure things out. My next detail job I am going to wash and polish first, then put the #21 on and leave it while I do the inside. That should give me at least an hour of cure time.

Mike,

Thanks for making yourself available yesterday. I was really "knocked out" that you answered on a day off. If you have another opportunity to talk with Jason, I am wondering about the cure time before removal, and if humidity could be a factor. I say it was not real humid, but it is all relative. Our lowest humidity is probably like rain to you.

Dave

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by inthedetails

Thanks for making yourself available yesterday. I was really "knocked out" that you answered on a day off. If you have another opportunity to talk with Jason, I am wondering about the cure time before removal, and if humidity could be a factor. I say it was not real humid, but it is all relative. Our lowest humidity is probably like rain to you.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Jason is working with the M21 all weekend to try to duplicate, isolate and erradicate any variables or issues with this product. Monday morning we will be meeting to discuss his findings and take action on this issue and within this thread.

You and everyone else in this thread will be hearing from us on Monday, you can bank on that.

Later... I have a class to teach today and have to get out the door...