Surface comes out streaky and oily

[Meguiar's Car Maniac]

Thank you Mike,

You are comforting me...

Since so many people were facing the problem internationally i believe it was time to remember everyone again the prep steps...

I personnaly recommend ColorX a product for a quick and deep paint prep. already with some protection...

[TKDDAD]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
I'm pretty consistent in my process on all cars too and it goes like this,

• * Surface Prep - Whatever it takes to make things right.
  * Apply Wax - I always apply using a W-9006 on the G100 on speed setting 3.0
  * Allow wax to dry until it swipes clear, this time frame would tend to be always on the longer side versus the shorter side.
  * Remove wax using a microfiber polishing bonnet on a W-7006 forum cutting pad on the G100 on the 5.0 setting.
  * Apply a second application after at least 30 minutes passes after first application has been wiped off.
  * Remove second application using the microfiber bonnet with the G100.
  * One good final wipe using the slow wiping technique I outline here, Final Wiping Techniques.

Mike, can you let the wax (LSP) whichever it is stay on TOO LONG ?...it seems like this happens when the product hasn't dried sufficiently enough...I know about the swipe test but the question I have is what if you waited longer before removing the product ?....I have a black car that I've used the G100 and MF bonnet on with no problems....I have used NXT (paste and liquid) as well as #16...I like them all and have #21 on order so I'll try that next...again, is it better to over dry than under dry ?...

p.s. I just ordered the DVD from SCG and am looking forward to all the tips that it will offer

Thanks !

[inthedetails]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips


Out of all the people that have chimed in on this thread and posted their experience with streaks or lighter/darker patches, are applying the wax once or twice and are you experiencing the problem in both situations?

Mike I have had it occur in each situation, and have had it not occur as well.

To me, based on my experiences, there is no consitent difference when it will happen and not. If that makes any sense.....

I will say that my application speed has been higher than 3, but like I said.....some times it happens, some times it don't.

Sometimes you are the windshield, sometimes you are the bug

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

Sometimes....well never mind

[edison_GTI]

This is what I did Mike ('02 Black VW GTI):

1. Washed the car with Meguiar's Deep Crystal Car Wash.

2. Clay bar all horizontal surfaces (I should have done the whole car).

3. Polished by hand with Meguiar's Deep Crystal System Polish using a Even-Coat Applicator and removing it with a Ultra Plush Super Terry towel.

4. Waxed with NXT by hand, using the applicator that came with it and removing with a second Ultra Plush Super Terry towel.

Step 4 was only done on the hood, since the it was very difficult to remove the wax without leaving a streaky/oily surface. I had to use QD at the end to finally remove the wax.

I know that I have to wax the rest of the car, but I didn't have internet this weekend and I didn't feel confident to carry on with the job, as it was very difficult to totally remove the wax.

I hope this helps.

[BigLeegr]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips

Following this process I just can't say I ever see the streaking or lighter/darker patches in the finish problem but I've also geared everything to work in my favor.
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Out of all the people that have chimed in on this thread and posted their experience with streaks or lighter/darker patches, are applying the wax once or twice and are you experiencing the problem in both situations?

I usually only apply it once, and usually only get the streaking on the hood. But it isn't something that always happens or that I can't get rid of.

Would it be possible to have someone at one of your detailing classes that gets streaking try to show you their technique and re-create it? This way you could show the procedures to correct it.

I agree with your answer of ways it can be avoided, by the way. But sometimes some people are working in less than ideal conditions (ie-dusty area, outside, in the sun, etc. so you don't want to leave the wax on any longer than needed.) so these things sometimes arise.

[PIMPaLiCiOuS]

This past weekend was my first time using ANY NXT products and any real detailing (besides car wash and tire shine) products in a while.

The first coat of of NXT Tech Wax went on beautifully. I was done around 11am, and I drove the truck out that night around 8pm.

The next morning I set out to put on the second coat of NXT Tech Wax, but BEFORE doing that, I dusted the truck off, and used Speed Detailer all over the truck (to make sure I wasn't going to coat it a 2nd time with **** all over the body panels). I noticed that on some parts, it had darker streaks when I would wipe off the Speed Detailer. It would take a little extra elbow grease to try and even it out/make it disappear.

I think it was the uniformity of the first coat of wax. After I put on the second coat, it looked awesome. And now, the Speed Detailer is easier to wipe off. If felt like it dragged (which are probably the spots that didn't have a "uniform" application with only 1 pass of Tech Wax).

Anyway, my experience. . .

[RamAirV1]

There are a lot of different factors that can affect streaking in addition to prep work.

Factors that I have found include humidity, which has some effect on drying time. And #21 was designed to take longer to dry so it can be used with a rotary buffer.

I think applying too much can cause streaking too. I had some sections where little water droplets would form on the coat of #21. Rather than disperse those by spreading it around more, I just left it. I think the formation of water droplets is called sweating. I have not had any other sealant do that however. #20 and MPPP never did that. Could that be because they were oil and not water based?

RamAirV1

[TH0001]

Thanks for the reply Mike. I will recount my last couple appliction processes...

White VW Jetta, 2002.

Hyperwash
Meg's Detailer Clay, MILD
#80 via PC with 8006, speed 5 and 6, removed with microfiber
Applied NXT via hand and applicator pad, let set for 30-40 minutes
wiped with supereme shine microfiber. dark spots, only visible in certain light. Could not remove, even tryed misting and rewashing surface.
Applied very very light coat of NXT, and wipe while still setting up (forum recommendation). No improvement, but the streaks where only visible in certain lighting because of the color.

Yellow Z06 Vette, 2003.

Hyperwash
Meg's Detailer Clay, MILD
NXT via hand and applicator pad. Let set for 40 minutes. Wiped with supereme shine microfiber. Very light streaking that wiped clean on second buff.


Black Z06, 2006

NXT Wash
Meg's Quik Clay
#80 via PC with 8006 pad and speed #5. Removed by microfiber, one section at a time.
#7 via hand with applicator pad and removed with supereme shine microfiber. Did one section at a time, about 2 feet by 2 feet, before removing. Then did next section, removed, then rebuffed the first section. Finished whole car in this manner, the rebuffed using a clean microfiber.
Applied #21 via PC with 7006 and speed 3. Let setup for 20 minutes, removed via PC with bonnet over 9006, speed 5.
Noticed signifigant streaking. Couldn't remove dark streaks.
Applied second coat #21 via hand with applicator, very light. Let set for hour, removed via PC with bonnet over 9006. Noticed same dark streaking, plus surface seemed greasy.
Wiped entire car with Quik Detailer and microfiber, no improvemet in greasy apperance or dark streaks. The grease actually changed dircections, depending on how I wiped it.
Applied #26 via hand and applicator pad. Let set for 15-20 mintues, wiped with supereme shine microfiber. No change in surface. Couldn't remove greasey film or color blotchiness

Hope this helps.

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by TH0001
Thanks for the reply Mike. I will recount my last couple appliction processes...

White VW Jetta, 2002.

Hyperwash
Meg's Detailer Clay, MILD
#80 via PC with 8006, speed 5 and 6, removed with microfiber
Applied NXT via hand and applicator pad, let set for 30-40 minutes
wiped with supereme shine microfiber. dark spots, only visible in certain light. Could not remove, even tryed misting and rewashing surface.
Applied very very light coat of NXT, and wipe while still setting up (forum recommendation). No improvement, but the streaks where only visible in certain lighting because of the color.

Yellow Z06 Vette, 2003.

Hyperwash
Meg's Detailer Clay, MILD
NXT via hand and applicator pad. Let set for 40 minutes. Wiped with supereme shine microfiber. Very light streaking that wiped clean on second buff.


Black Z06, 2006

NXT Wash
Meg's Quik Clay
#80 via PC with 8006 pad and speed #5. Removed by microfiber, one section at a time.
#7 via hand with applicator pad and removed with supereme shine microfiber. Did one section at a time, about 2 feet by 2 feet, before removing. Then did next section, removed, then rebuffed the first section. Finished whole car in this manner, the rebuffed using a clean microfiber.
Applied #21 via PC with 7006 and speed 3. Let setup for 20 minutes, removed via PC with bonnet over 9006, speed 5.
Noticed signifigant streaking. Couldn't remove dark streaks.
Applied second coat #21 via hand with applicator, very light. Let set for hour, removed via PC with bonnet over 9006. Noticed same dark streaking, plus surface seemed greasy.
Wiped entire car with Quik Detailer and microfiber, no improvemet in greasy apperance or dark streaks. The grease actually changed dircections, depending on how I wiped it.
Applied #26 via hand and applicator pad. Let set for 15-20 mintues, wiped with supereme shine microfiber. No change in surface. Couldn't remove greasey film or color blotchiness

Hope this helps.

Did your #21 turn lumpy and separated, even after shaking? Mine did, and only then did I have the streaking.

RamAirV1

[TH0001]

no, but I noticed no matter how hard I shook it, it would bleed water droplets on top of the product as I layed it down.

[OctaneGuy]

I'd like to add that in the last 5 days, I've detailed 3 black cars.

2005 Mercedes E500
2005 Corvette
2002 MINI Cooper


Each detail lasts between 11 to 14 hours all in one day. My prep usually lasts 3 to 4 hours and involves washing and claying to get to a complete mirror smooth finish and defect removal using clay.

I used M21 on all 3, from two different bottles. I finished the E500 at around 4PM, the Corvette around 8:00PM and the MINI around 8:30PM. I live in Los Angeles, CA where the humidity is rather low.

I've got 2 -64OZ. bottles of M21 and they have both separated. Each time I dispense, clear liquid comes out, no matter how much I shake.

I applied the M21 on a W9006 pad applied with a PC set at speed 3. I ensured even overlapping coverage. I removed it after successfully performing the swipe test to ensure it was ready. I used a Meguiar's MF bonnet over a W7006 pad on the PC set at speed 5. Final wipe down was with a Supreme Shine MF.

I applied two coats of M21 to ensure even coverage. The place that the streaking was most noticeable on all 3 cars was on the hood. I wiped by hand, and turned the MF towel in a similar fashion to how #7 is removed. I tried different amounts of pressure, and with all the wiping, I was afraid that if the streaking went away it was due to me rubbing it off.

The 2nd pass of M21 didn't solve the streaking. It seemed to add to the streaks and just displace them without removing or blending in.

I'm a huge fan of M21 and use it on all my customers cars. Today I detailed a 2004 silver Lexus and M21 definitely helped bring out the beauty.

Richard

[TH0001]

I'm glad (not really, but I think you understand) that somebody as experinced as yourself as has experienced this also. I'm not glad cause it happened to you, but glad as in I'm not the only one and its not for lack of experinece. Hmmmm....

[TH0001]

I just thought of something because of your post Octane...

I've kind of had a similar problem with NXT liquid, once it seperates, I cannot get it to mix back. I let it sit on my shelf for about a 1 month or so (because I was playing with 21) and when I went back to use it, I it was white solids and clear liquid. I shook it so hard for almost ten mintues that water/liquid was seeping out the threads on the cap.

I removed the cap, the wax looked good and uniform, I started applying and noticed after about 2 applicators worth, it start to pour seperated product out the cap. I shook again, for about a minute to get it mixed, and then 1 applicator later it was seperated. This is when I started experincing the problems with NXT now that I think about it.

My 21 is maybe 2 months old, and at first was great but has become hard to mix, even in a half full applicator bottle. And I have almost a whole gallon left!!!! When both the NXT and 21 where brand new I didn't notice this at all.

[OctaneGuy]

You're funny. LOL (regarding first post)

I pretty much agree that the separating product is a factor. Sorry to say Meguiar's, but when an emulsion separates, that's bad chemistry.

Having come from the skin care industry with my father who's spent his lifetime pioneering and perfecting emulsions for use in the medical and skin care industries (He invented the LEE Low Energy Emulsification method that's taught in Chemistry text books), M21 shouldn't be separating like that, and if that indeed is the result of this streaking, I hope that Meguiar's is taking a serious look at this.

Richard

Originally posted by TH0001
I just thought of something because of your post Octane...

I've kind of had a similar problem with NXT liquid, once it seperates, I cannot get it to mix back. I let it sit on my shelf for about a 1 month or so (because I was playing with 21) and when I went back to use it, I it was white solids and clear liquid. I shook it so hard for almost ten mintues that water/liquid was seeping out the threads on the cap.

I removed the cap, the wax looked good and uniform, I started applying and noticed after about 2 applicators worth, it start to pour seperated product out the cap. I shook again, for about a minute to get it mixed, and then 1 applicator later it was seperated. This is when I started experincing the problems with NXT now that I think about it.

My 21 is maybe 2 months old, and at first was great but has become hard to mix, even in a half full applicator bottle. And I have almost a whole gallon left!!!! When both the NXT and 21 where brand new I didn't notice this at all.

[inthedetails]

I have never had an issue with separation....

and I agree with the statement about "moving them around".....

The streaks are clearly visible as "shadows" of wear the buffer was.