ONR and other random product thoughts...

[CharlesW]

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The wheels on our vehicles seem to clean up fine with just the ONR solution. I use a Meguiar's body brush dipped in the ONR solution on the face of the wheel.
Scrub it a little and wipe it off just like with the body panels. The only real difference is that I use cotton terry towels to wipe down the wheels rather than mess up any MF towels.
I use a foam scrubber on a handle to do as much of the backside of the wheel as I can and use the same scrubber on the wheel wells.
I happen to use a competitor's product and a brush to clean and dress the tires.
I only do our vehicles and they are never in as bad of shape as some I see driving around. I have no idea how the rinseless washes would work on those.

[Chop]

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Love the 4" pads more than ever now and I use them with their own packing plate. I suppose I could have used the G110 but I'd be afraid I'd "whoops" and screw up.

Which backplate are you using with the LC 4" pads?

and do you have to buy any other adapter to use the 4" pads on your G110?

[3Fitty]

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Which backplate are you using with the LC 4" pads?

and do you have to buy any other adapter to use the 4" pads on your G110?

I bought an all in one kit from autogeek which included a 2" backing plate and the adapter, which works perfect with my G110.

The kit also includes a drill bit adapter so you can use the pads for spot repair on plastics (probably on paint as well, but I don't do that for fear that I'll burn my paint).

[akimel]

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i canceled my order lol

That may have been a premature decision. With all respect to 3Fitty's testimony (and he certainly did give 746s the old college try-I do not question in any way his unsatisfactory experience with the product), 746s enjoys a wide and durable reputation for durability. The claims for its durability certainly is most certainly not "hype," despite 3Fitty's disappointment with the product.

I do not have an explanation why 476s did not perform well in this case. I do know that sometimes waxes and sealants do not perform up to expectations. All one needs to do is to read through detailing forums, and one will find individual complaints about the durability of most of the reputedly long-lasting synthetic sealants.

So what does one do? My personal policy is to go with the consensus until my own personal experience with the product has proven otherwise.

A lot of people complain about 476s as a difficult wax to apply and remove. Like M16 it needs to be applied thin; otherwise it's a bear to remove. But one rarely finds complaints about its durability. 4 to 6 months durability for two coats seems to be typical for most users--bearing in mind, of course, that the testimony is anecdotal and that protectant durability is difficult to accurately gauge, given the wide-ranging conditions to which different vehicles are subjected. Regarding Collinite's claim of one year durability for 476s, which can be found on their website: if one reads through the FAQ one finds that this claim is reduced to "9-11 Months depending on UV exposure." The qualification "depending on UV exposure" covers a multitude of marketing sins. It's probably best to interpret "one year" to mean "many months."

I wonder if used as a topper of NXT or DG 105 if you would get better results...from what I have read about it, that is what most people are doing with it, using it as a topper...

From what I have read on various forums (and I have read many Collinite threads), the opposite seems to be the case. My impression is that the majority of 476s users employ 476s as their basecoat and top 476s with ... 476s. One sometimes reads about the enterprising soul who applies eight coats of Zaino, followed by five coats of Werkstatt, followed by three coats of 476s, and then tops it all with Souveran or Victoria Concours Red--but that really does not appear to be the norm. One interesting exception here is Accumulator, whose judgment I trust on wax matters. In his experience, he achieves better durability from 476s when he applies it over a coat of Collinite 845. This goes against all the conventional wisdom that one should use the most durable protectant as one's basecoat. I don't know what to make of this. Waxes are a mystery!

Cheers,
Al

[Andrew C.]

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What mitts do you guys use with ONR?

[CharlesW]

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What mitts do you guys use with ONR?

Any wash media that you would use for a conventional bucket wash seems to work for me.
In no particular order, I have used:
Cotton chenille wash mitt
Cotton chenille covered sponge
Sea Sponge
Grout sponge (both the Home Depot and the Lowe's)
Very plush MF towel ( I don't think a really plush towel would be necessary)
MF covered sponge

I don't have a real favorite as far as overall performance, but I do seem to use the MF covered sponge and the sea sponge the most often. The MF sponge covers more area because it holds lots of solution. The sea sponge is very convenient to use in close quarters and it is quite easy to control the amount of solution you use for each panel.
FWIW, I have had no problem with marring with any of the wash media I used. Just as with a conventional wash, don't scrub, wash with a gentle touch. Let the product do the work. Wash an area, turn the wash media over and wash it again, then make one pass with your drying towel to get most of the water and finish with another towel to completely dry the area.

Keep in mind that ONR and the DP rinseless wash leave your wash media quite dirty. It doesn't seem to be a problem, but not all the staining is easily removed.
If that discoloration is going to bother you, use the $2 grout sponge and throw it away when you are no longer comfortable with it.

I have mentioned before that we are kind of taking advantage of MOL talking about competitor's products so much. While I certainly am not an expert, I would be glad to answer any questions I can in a PM.

[3Fitty]

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That may have been a premature decision. With all respect to 3Fitty's testimony (and he certainly did give 746s the old college try-I do not question in any way his unsatisfactory experience with the product), 746s enjoys a wide and durable reputation for durability. The claims for its durability certainly is most certainly not "hype," despite 3Fitty's disappointment with the product.

I do not have an explanation why 476s did not perform well in this case. I do know that sometimes waxes and sealants do not perform up to expectations. All one needs to do is to read through detailing forums, and one will find individual complaints about the durability of most of the reputedly long-lasting synthetic sealants.

Cheers,
Al

Al,

I agree in part and disagree in part. What I agree aobut is that everyone should try a product so that they can make there own evaluation, the certainly is the best barometer for how a product will work for you.

The part I disagree with is the notion that 476S will last even a minute over 4 months. I just can't put my mind around it, especially not in a northern climate, during the winter.

And I am well aware of those who claim that 476s has lasted for six months in a tough northern winter, I just believe (maybe wrongly) that we have a different level of scrutiny. Admitedly, I am a skeptic (for pretty much everything) and I start a project thinking that a specific product won't meet its marketting claims. However, even the notion (on their website) of 9-11 months is just absurd, IMHO. Maybe if the car is garage parked, rarely driven and not exposed to the elements I could see it, but shouldn't they say that???

In any event, it's really not a knock on Collinite, because I really do like 845, just not 476s.

[Golden]

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I'll add my 2 cents....

I used ONR for the first time on Sunday. I was fairly impressed with it. I did one panel at a time on a silverado, and it gave off great results.

[Jokeman]

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I get about 4 months out of 476s during the winter. My truck is driven daily, left outside, I live on the ocean and under the take off path of Logan airport. The truck is also driven 150 miles north every weekend to snowmobile. It does not have an easy garaged life, that is for sure. I try to take it to the touchless once a week during the winter to use their "rinse and dry". This way it has no soap to strip the wax. I use it just to blast the majority of the salt off the truck.

My wax favorites:
NXT2, Klasse SG, 476s, 845, Opti-Seal.

NXT 2 is a great wax during the summer when I can do the truck once a month, love the look and feel. Only thing about it I hate is that it stains trim and Ive had the liquid type be streaky.

Klasse SG, STRONG stuff, I made the mistake of not doing one panel at a time and put it on a bit too thick. It was still on the truck in the spring.

476s, great stuff. Lasted most of the cold months till it was above freezing and I could wash and wax again.

845, use it on the Mrs truck. Works great, looks ok, a lot like the 476 just easier to apply and remove.

Opti-Seal, good stuff for a quicky. Takes 15 minutes to do the entire truck. Protects good and lasts fairly well.

This is just my few cents of stuff I like to use.


After I wrote this I realized it was an ONR thread. I have ONR, Ive used it 2 or 3 times. I like regular soap better. It just feels wrong doing it the ONR way.

[3Fitty]

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Jokeman,

Obviously I cannot dispute your findings, but even with your findings of 4 months, that is WAY below the claims by the manufacturer and still not on par with those claiming 6 months +++.

[Bunky]

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Maybe Jokeman has a different standard for how it lasts given all the variables? surface prep, environment, post lsp activities (wash, detailing) and just judging when it is no longer slick.

[3Fitty]

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Maybe Jokeman has a different standard for how it lasts given all the variables? surface prep, environment, post lsp activities (wash, detailing) and just judging when it is no longer slick.

Yes, all possible. I guess my biggest disappointment with 476s is when I did the civic and the staining I got after 2 weeks.

[Jokeman]

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Yes, all possible. I guess my biggest disappointment with 476s is when I did the civic and the staining I got after 2 weeks.

I have found that dust tends to stick more when using the 476s. One thing that I do before applying the 476 is to do a complete IPA wipe down of any place I am going to wax. I do this to make certain the clear coat is squeaky clean so I get a good bond.

I could see 476 lasting a year on a weekend driver that is garaged year round.

[roushstage2]

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What mitts do you guys use with ONR?

I like the Meguiar's Microfiber Mitt the best. It holds a lot of the solution and is very soft. Easy to snag any little pieces of whatever that may get caught in the mitt fibers as well.

[Bunky]

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I will confess I am performing a wax test involving 7 waxes. I am doing the 2nd check this weekend after I wash the truck. I am using 476s. So far although 476s did seem to sheet water better than most others, it is not "pollen" resistant. It seems to zap everything until washed off.