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    Months ago, one of MOL's members CharlesW was kind enough to send me a sample of ONR (Optimum No Rinse) for me to try. Believe it or not, I did not get a chance to try it until this weekend and I wanted to share some thoughts about it...

    I used ONR using a typical two bucket system. In my wash bucket I had 4 gallons of water to about 3oz of ONR. I also added 1oz of ONR to my rinse bucket, as some like to do to increase lubricity. It was the same vehicle I have been using in my wax test (2007 silver Honda CR-V). The car was dirty, but not ridiculous.

    The first thing you notice about ONR is that it doesn't really get sudsy (I guess it can't on account of no rinsing). The other thing is that it doesn't get the really slick feel on your hands, but more of a squeaky clean feel. This actually worried me that it would NOT lubricate enough. In any event, I went forward.

    Washing wise, it did a competent job. Nothing spectacular, but good enough. The car came clean, but what I noticed is that my lambswool mit became grey with dirt. That never happens when I use GC Shampoo or NXT wash. I mean it totally changed colors.

    The car was washed in the shade at about 73 degrees and in the shade.

    After washing the entire car, I quickly began to dry, using my water magnet. After fully drying the car, I noticed water spotting all over and especially on the chrome trim areas around the windows. Again, something I never get with my GC shampoo or NXT. The car was clean though.

    So my thoughts on ONR is that I could see myself using it in the winter months for a quick garage wash, but only in that situation (or if I lived in an area with water restrictions). I don't think it is much of a time saver, but certainly is a big water saver.

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    On to my other new goods. I also bought Lake County 4 inch pads for my G110, based on many positive reviews.

    They feel much different than my array of 8006, 9006 and 7006 pads, maybe even a bit more "luxurious" (if that makes sense). I bought 4 inch pads for two reasons. A bit better ability to navigate tight spots and I've been told they are better at correction.

    In my estimation, I would say both statements were pretty accurate. At the very least, I thing 4 inch pads are a good investment for a hack (like me) who doesn't use a rotary. I used them today on the rear lights (which were VERY swirled) and I knocked out ALL the swirls with one pass of M80 and and LC orange pad. Really nice. I also tried a small test spot on a neighbors Honda Accord (dark grey) and again, found them effective.

    I like my 9006 better for wax application and my 7006 with terry bonnet for wax removal, but there is room in my garage for the LC 4 inch pads.

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    On to GC trim detailer. This is slowly becoming one of my favorites. For anyone who knows the CR-V, there is a LOT of black plastic on that sucker. The GC trim detailer just brings it to life. I also have the ASD from the detailer line but I have yet to try it so I can't compare them.
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    Hyperdressing is killer.

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    NXT insane tire shine is NOT one of my favorites. I LOVED it when I first bought it, but have found the the endurance high gloss lasts much longer and looks better after day two.

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    I also bought Collinite 476s a paste wax. I don't know if it is just me and paste waxes, but I HATE applying them and I hate removing them. I guess when you are a NXT 2.0 user, you really get spoiled as to how easy it goes on and off.

    The car was properly prepped, so after I put the 476s, it looked great. No better than when I use NXT 2.0, no worse, but much harder to put on and take off. After I applied it, I read a thread by Chris (PorscheGuy) and it really made me think about something (which I think he might be on to something).

    I anyone has ever used Collinite 476s or 845, they both have a very heavy "solvent-like" smell. I don't know how to explain it, but is smells like it can kill you by simple inhalation, let alone consumption (yes, I know you're not supposed to eat it).... but it made me think..

    As Chris opined... if it is really that heavy on solvents, what might it be doing to my paint? Thank Chris for giving me an anxiety attack!!! LOL

    One last thing... on the Collinite website, they advertise (and I quote) "will last a full year, even under adverse conditions". That is a pretty heafty claim (and for those who know me, well you know I don't believe most claims). I'm going to report my finding on collinite 476s in March of 2009 (six months from now). My bet is that it will be off the car after a harsh winter. We'll see.

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    Simply green APC - Only used it on my wheels and wheel wells because I'm trying to get rid of it. Meg's APC blows the doors off it, even when SG is diluted 1:1 and Megs is diluted 4:1. No comparison, save your money on this one.
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    Detailer Line Glass Cleaner - Wife tried it at home and suffice it to say, we will no longer be purchasing Windex again. 1/8th of the price of Windex and NO streaking. Another no-brainer.
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    Lexol Cleaner and Conditioner - Definite thumbs down. Don't like the after feel of it. I find my leather feeling "chalky" after Lexol. Anyone wanna pull a swap?
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    Mother's Aluminum & Mag Polish - I not likey. Almost finished no buy again!
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    Mother's Showtime Instant Detailer - I like this product. Better than QD, not as good as UQD. I will say this though... I prefer the mother's OTC spray bottles 100x over all of the Meg's spray bottles. I'm not a fan of the UQD bottle, QD bottle or anything from the OTC stuff. The detailer line... well now, that is a different story. The Pro line is also better. It's just the OTC line bottles that need improvement.
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    So, there is my 42 cents on recent products. Fire away and chime in where you think I'm wrong and where you think I'm right. Again, this stuff is just PURE opinion, not based on ANY facts. Just thought I would share.
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    3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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    Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

    With ONR, I have always washed one section at a time and then dried it. This is how most people use it. I use 1.5 oz. per gallon (1 oz per 2 gals is suggested). I also first used it with a wool wash mitt too but switched to the microfiber dreadlock type. I keep two handy since wash mitts do not rinse like a normal soap in water and can get dirty looking.

    As for the sprayer, I like the finer mist from the Meg's Quik Detailer sometimes like when used as a clay lube.
    Al
    ~ Providing biased opinions

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    • #3
      Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

      Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
      (1) I used ONR using a typical two bucket system. In my wash bucket I had 4 gallons of water to about 3oz of ONR. I also added 1oz of ONR to my rinse bucket, as some like to do to increase lubricity. It was the same vehicle I have been using in my wax test (2007 silver Honda CR-V). The car was dirty, but not ridiculous.

      (2) The first thing you notice about ONR is that it doesn't really get sudsy (I guess it can't on account of no rinsing). The other thing is that it doesn't get the really slick feel on your hands, but more of a squeaky clean feel. This actually worried me that it would NOT lubricate enough. In any event, I went forward.

      (3) Washing wise, it did a competent job. Nothing spectacular, but good enough. The car came clean, but what I noticed is that my lambswool mit became grey with dirt. That never happens when I use GC Shampoo or NXT wash. I mean it totally changed colors.

      The car was washed in the shade at about 73 degrees and in the shade.

      (4) After washing the entire car, I quickly began to dry, using my water magnet. After fully drying the car, I noticed water spotting all over and especially on the chrome trim areas around the windows. Again, something I never get with my GC shampoo or NXT. The car was clean though.

      So my thoughts on ONR is that I could see myself using it in the winter months for a quick garage wash, but only in that situation (or if I lived in an area with water restrictions). I don't think it is much of a time saver, but certainly is a big water saver.

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      First off, rinseless washing is not for everyone. What works for me, may not work for someone else.

      Now to address some of your findings. I put numerical headings on them and will try to cover them in that order.

      (1) ONR is not intended to be used as a regular two bucket wash. You used way more water and ONR than needed. A gallon of water for washing with 1/2 oz. of ONR is all that is really needed. I happen to use two gallons, one as a wash and one as a rinse with 1/2 oz. of ONR in each, but it isn't really necessary to use the "rinse" bucket. Rinse is kind of a misnomer since all it rinses is your wash mitt. Some people use 2 gallons in one bucket with 1 oz. of ONR.

      (2) You are correct on not sudsing and not needing to suds. Suds don't wash the car. Many manufacturers add sudsing agents since we seem to feel more comfortable with a product that does suds.

      (3) Your wash media, be it mitt, sponge, MF towel is what picks up the dirt from your car. It will get very dirty, The loose dirt will release in the wash solution, but the mitt will be dirty when you finish. That is normal with a rinseless wash.

      (4) Your first real mistake and probably why it worked so poorly for you. You should do a section at a time. On some vehicles that might be just one panel. I do 1/2 the roof as a section for example. A door would be another section as would a fender or 1/2 the hood.
      Make one wipe with your MF towel leaving the area slightly damp and finish drying with another MF towel. The panel should be clean and dry after the last wipe. Don't let the rinseless wash solution dry on the vehicle.

      Your water spotting was probably due to letting the solution dry on the car although the spots might have been soap solution since you used an excessive amount.

      Did you look at the PM I sent you with the step by step comments with pictures? The PM subject line was - More on how to use ONR.

      Like I said at the start, not everyone likes the same things.
      Charles
      The Rainmaker

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      • #4
        Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

        Charles,

        My PM box filled up, so I deleted that PM, so I went to ONR's website and I tried to follow their instructions. I also picked up the tip about the second bucket with some ONR from an ONR instructional video on youtube.
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        3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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        • #5
          Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

          Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
          Charles,

          My PM box filled up, so I deleted that PM, so I went to ONR's website and I tried to follow their instructions. I also picked up the tip about the second bucket with some ONR from an ONR instructional video on youtube.
          I just sent a copy to you via PM.
          Charles
          The Rainmaker

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          • #6
            Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

            ONR should be used one section as a time as mentioned.
            AeroCleanse, LLC
            Wisconsin's Elite Detailing Service
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            • #7
              Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

              @3Fifty:

              I have not tried the Collinite 476 but have used 845 with great results. Personally, I use 845 as my last detail session before the wintertime and find that it holds up pretty well under harsh conditions. ( I agree that it will probably not last a whole year, but it will hold up through a typical Mid-Atlantic winter). I regularly use Meguiars products during the Spring and Summer, but save the Collinite 845 for the winter prep. Thanks for the information on the GC trim detailer and Meguiars APC. I will try those. I also agree that the Collinite 845 has a poor bottle design and has a horrible smell.
              Last edited by new2detailing; Sep 21, 2008, 07:31 PM. Reason: grammar

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              • #8
                Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                I'm glad you brought up the subject of ONR.

                During the trip out West, I had the opportunity to talk at length with some expert detailers and product testers. One subject was really quite interesting - waterless washing systems.

                ONR has a huge following, but I have yet to understand the difference between ONR and a spray detailer. To use ONR, you mix the product with water, soak a microfiber in the solution and procede to wash each panel individually. Then, wipe off the panel. Plus, the product acts as a clay lubricant.

                Can the same thing be accomplished with Last Touch?

                I've tried it once using a high dillution ratio and it worked fine.

                I won't mention any details, but some detailers have been experimenting and developing other waterless methods.

                On to the protectants...

                Some manufacturers have come up with ways to use natural ingredients to act as solvents (really expensive). Others use old technology and harsh solvents. Then there are the synthetics that use perfectly safe ingredients (I think water is one of them).

                It just concerns me whenever I use a high solvent protectant. There are a few threads that ask about removing gasoline and diesel spills on their paint. So if you want to remove the petrol from the paint, why would you want to apply a petrol based wax? It's just my theory, but I don't like to put highly flammable products on my paint.

                Just a few thoughts...
                Chris
                Dasher Detailing Services

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                • #9
                  Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                  Originally posted by PorscheGuy997 View Post
                  Can the same thing be accomplished with Last Touch?
                  Sure.
                  Check this out.
                  Charles
                  The Rainmaker

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                  • #10
                    Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                    Others already chimed in on using too little of ONR per gallon, doing only section at the time, etc, so I have nothing to add on that subject.

                    What I will add about ONR is that it is my favorite way of removing polish dust from sections as I keep working around. I just keep bucket of solution under the sun, mitt dunked in, and reach for it and drying towel when needed.

                    Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                    I anyone has ever used Collinite 476s or 845, they both have a very heavy "solvent-like" smell. I don't know how to explain it, but is smells like it can kill you by simple inhalation, let alone consumption (yes, I know you're not supposed to eat it).... but it made me think..

                    As Chris opined... if it is really that heavy on solvents, what might it be doing to my paint?

                    ...

                    One last thing... on the Collinite website, they advertise (and I quote) "will last a full year, even under adverse conditions". That is a pretty heafty claim (and for those who know me, well you know I don't believe most claims). I'm going to report my finding on collinite 476s in March of 2009 (six months from now). My bet is that it will be off the car after a harsh winter. We'll see.
                    I do not know exact contents of anything in any of the waxes on the market as I do not have any secret meetings with chemists, nor I would be interested in them (contents, not chemists ... err ... I mean ... never mind, you know what I meant) but I would venture to guess just because something has stronger smell that does not mean it has stronger ingredients than the other products, it might just mean manufacturer is opting not to add anything to mix. Collinite has been around for a while, many are reporting legendary longevity and nobody is reporting their paint melting so I would venture to say it is very likely you will be satisfied.

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                    • #11
                      Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                      Guys, I'm not doubting anyone's knowledge as being FAR superior to mine, but I would say the error is from Optimum's website. Here are the directions:

                      Add 2 capfulls ( 1 oz. ) of No Rinse™ Wash & Shine to 1-2 gallons of water in the wash bucket. Soak Eco Xtraplush Microfiber Towel in the wash bucket. Wash one car panel. Soak the towel in the wash bucket again and do another panel till the entire vehicle is washed. Use a fresh Xtraplush Microfiber Towel to dry the car. You can also dry and wax your vehicle by spraying Optimum Car Wax on each panel as you are drying it.
                      I diluted at or near the same ratio and followed their steps, except I used a lambswool mit. Not the highlighted part.

                      I don't think yall are wrong, in fact I'd bet you're right, but shouldn't Optimum say so?

                      In any event, Charles was kind enough to send me the ONR and resend a link with tips on using it (this time I won't delete them - although I'm 92% full again - lol). I'll give it another shot and report back.
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                      3Fitty - Now recommending products I have never used.

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                      • #12
                        Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                        I used ONR 1oz/1Gal water (2 gallons total with a grit guard) on my black car after driving it in the rain for about 1 1/2 weeks. Washed one section at a time, dried immediately after. No spots, no swirls, no scratches. The finish IMO was incredible! It looked super glossy!

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                        • #13
                          Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                          Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                          Guys, I'm not doubting anyone's knowledge as being FAR superior to mine, but I would say the error is from Optimum's website.

                          I diluted at or near the same ratio and followed their steps, except I used a lambswool mit.

                          I don't think yall are wrong, in fact I'd bet you're right, but shouldn't Optimum say so?
                          IMO, The instructions on the Optimum site certainly do leave the door open for some improper use.
                          Since my first experience with rinseless washes was with DP 4 in 1, I had never read anything about ONR on the Optimum site.
                          FWIW, both products seem to perform about the same for me.

                          We might be getting borderline on a discussion about other than a Meguiar's product.
                          Out of respect for the owners/sponsors of the site, I'm going to drop the subject.
                          Anyone wants to discuss it further, my PM box has plenty of room.
                          Charles
                          The Rainmaker

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                          • #14
                            Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                            ONR is some great stuff. I have been using it all summer due to water restrictions. Only if a car is really filthy will I ever use a regular wash method again. It cleans great, it makes a great QD (not much shine but cleans great) and is one of the best clay lubes Ihave tried. When I use ONR I wash a panel, rinse off mit, wash the panel again then dry with a MF gets most of the water off, a quick dpray with either DG AW or Opt Car Wax and then a second MF to complete the drying.
                            LC pads are agreat, all I use with my PC are 5.5" and 4" pads. Lately mostly only use the 4" pads.
                            Finally tried hyper dressing on an engine and wheel wells and it will be my goto from now on, especially for engines.

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                            • #15
                              Re: ONR and other random product thoughts...

                              were there any major differences between Mothers Showtime Instant Detailer and QD, apart from the spray bottle?
                              Ganesa,
                              Toyota Vios '05

                              Theres a difference in a person who has to do it and a person who wants to do it

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