zymol

[Mike Phillips]

Re: zymol

I learned from an old school hot rodder the golden rule of shine: THE most important thing is the "prep work".

This is an age old truth, anyone that's been detailing for a number of years understands this and invests their time in the cleaning step as they know it is the cleaning step that will make or break their end results.

That said, after the prep work is done, some waxes will create better results than others that's reality. However, M26 is a very clear and reflective wax, as is Gold Class and NXT and M21.

The true appearance test of any wax is always on black paint and we would put our waxes up against the most expensive waxes on the market in a side-by-side test on the same paint equally prepared. The results will either be so close it will be a tie or Meguiar's will win.

The hardest part isn't the test, it's the judging, most people don't know how to judge results and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, throw in some bias and some potentially bad eyes (it's possible), and how do you do the judging as the human element is the biggest variable.

Even if another wax was judged to produce a better result... at what cost does it become worth it? Not that I think there's a better product on the market but it is important to have an open mind.

[Thejoyofdriving]

Re: zymol

I think there would be a diffrence. Why would the best in the world use zymol, and spend so much money, if they could get the same result from a 15$ wax. It wouldnt make business sense. Why would people spend all that extra money for nothing?

[HagFan]

Re: zymol

Sure you probably can 'waste' the money if you have a million dollar car, ...

Probably can? Make that definitely have... I mean luxury is one thing, but I think $1 millon car is by most reasonable measures quite a waste.

I bought a bottle of Zymol's consumer grade cleaner wax and it has sat in the garage throuh several winters without being opened. I bought it for my daughters car, which I now plan on giving the Meg's 5-step in a few weeks. I think the Zymol has been stored improperly and will be tossed.

[JSM]

Re: zymol

Zymol may offer the expensive waxes, but do they offer the service, expertise, and breadth of product line found at Meguiar's?

The answer shouldn't really require any thought. It's pretty simple why we all came here and registered to be a part of this forum. Meguiar's, hands down, has what most professionals, enthusiasts, and "Average Joes" want in a car care product.

In the end, it is hard for most competitors to live up to the same type of reputation. Sometimes, just because something costs more does not necessarily mean that it is better. You have to look at the situation from many different perspectives and find what fits YOU best.

[onnfire]

Re: zymol

I dont endorse Zymol, i like meguiars more. However, if you look into the Royale wax by Zymol (the one that costs 7000 dollars), you would see that it is a lifetime supply. I dont think this is meant to be purchased by individuals, it is targeting dealerships and detailing companies. That is not to say that the wax is any good.

[d.mopar]

Re: zymol

Probably can? Make that definitely have... I mean luxury is one thing, but I think $1 millon car is by most reasonable measures quite a waste.

I bought a bottle of Zymol's consumer grade cleaner wax and it has sat in the garage throuh several winters without being opened. I bought it for my daughters car, which I now plan on giving the Meg's 5-step in a few weeks. I think the Zymol has been stored improperly and will be tossed.

seeing that ur done with that zymol u can mail it to me i would like to see this product for my self. u know i almost bought it one time due to #1 rating on the front of the bottle and its greatest carnuba. u know all the facts on the back. but i really wanted to try that shampo and conditioner, and then that led to the wax.

[keesue]

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Even if another wax was judged to produce a better result... [at what cost does it become worth it?] Not that I think there's a better product on the market but it is important to have an open mind.[/quote]

It is this statement that has kept me loyal to Meguairs. Cost-effective performance-proven results. I guess I'm just frugal.

[gb387]

Re: zymol

I dont endorse Zymol, i like meguiars more. However, if you look into the Royale wax by Zymol (the one that costs 7000 dollars), you would see that it is a lifetime supply. I dont think this is meant to be purchased by individuals, it is targeting dealerships and detailing companies. That is not to say that the wax is any good.

I could see that... but for the average consumer thats:

1275 bottles of Deep Crystal System Carnauba Wax @ 5.49
- or -
1078 bottles of Cleaner Wax @ $6.49
- or -
876 bottles of COLORx @ $7.99
- or -
588 bottles of Gold Class Liquid Wax @ $11.90
- and if we splurge -
402 bottles of NXT Generation Tech Wax @ $17.39

[onnfire]

Re: zymol

I agree, i think it is a waste. I am just trying to point out that it is not as rediculous as everyone thinks. I guess to some people it makes sense if they have a million dollar car why not put a 7000 wax on it. That is not to say that the wax is any good, but it is just really expensive.

It seems like it is all marketing to me also.

[Lydia]

Re: zymol

I think there would be a diffrence. Why would the best in the world use zymol, and spend so much money, if they could get the same result from a 15$ wax. It wouldnt make business sense. Why would people spend all that extra money for nothing?

Because human nature is to think that if you pay more for something, it must be better.

[Max U.S.A]

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We would put Gold Class, NXT or M26 up against anything by Zymol in a side-by-side demonstration on the hood of a black car equally prepped for application of wax.

IMO the best way to do this is with the Spectrum Gloss Mapping device used in the Part 1 ? -- Show Car Perfect Paint Detailing Video at Meguiar's.com
---> http://www.meguiars.com/video/index.cfm?vid=1 for proven read-outs with different angles and Lumen etc. Not?

[Mayur]

Re: zymol

I think there would be a diffrence. Why would the best in the world use zymol, and spend so much money, if they could get the same result from a 15$ wax. It wouldnt make business sense. Why would people spend all that extra money for nothing?

Because they are dumb. Sure their wax is more concentrated, but really whats the point. You can get same results out of synthetics now. Also it does make business sense. They want you to think its the best in the world and just rip you off. If it was soo good, how can they offer lifetime refills for free? Thats what your basically paying, the lifetime refills. Other than that its the same thing and if it isnt, then it isnt miles ahead then all the other waxes out there. May be a little better because its highly concentrated but again its nothing that other waxes cant achieve.

[Ryan L.]

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Because they are dumb. Sure their wax is more concentrated, but really whats the point. You can get same results out of synthetics now. Also it does make business sense. They want you to think its the best in the world and just rip you off. If it was soo good, how can they offer lifetime refills for free? Thats what your basically paying, the lifetime refills. Other than that its the same thing and if it isnt, then it isnt miles ahead then all the other waxes out there. May be a little better because its highly concentrated but again its nothing that other waxes cant achieve.

Exactly...its all marketing

[qadsan]

Re: zymol

Because human nature is to think that if you pay more for something, it must be better.

Exactly! One of my projects in college was to prove this very point along with the placebo effect. We sold various products at a swap meet for a couple weekends and many people would pay 10X more for the exact same product just because of our marketing. And we had plenty of people who swore that one product tasted much better than another or gave them more energy or took away their pain better than another product, etc, when in fact there were no differences between the ‘like’ products we were offering *except* for marketing strategies, which also included packaging, appearance, etc.

It was a sneaky but fun project and we received lots of attention from this. It was also a great learning experience for us as well as the hundreds of people who bought from us. We had some crowds throughout the days and many of them got a kick out of seeing what was going on once they became wise to what we were doing. If we didn’t have the ethics to refund people’s money after making them privy to what we were really doing, we would have made some great money!

Marketing is very powerful and lots of people pay more for something if they think it’s better. It happens all the time with products such as oil additives, fuel additives, paint care products, skin care products, paint management gadgets, perfumes, shampoos, energy drinks, tools, pharmaceuticals, cereals, etc.

[Wolf-Strong]

Re: zymol

Personally, I think that if Meguiar's could take anything from Zymol, it would be the containers. Hell, I would almost be tempted to buy empty Zymol cases off ebay, clean em up, strip off the logos, relogo with Meguiar's, and add in product!

The ONLY thing I have found about Meguiar's products that I do not like is that they are not always cosmetically pleasing when placed next to Zymol products...everything else (touch, smell, results, price, taste...scratch that last one) rock.