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**Bence** · Feb 17, 2007, 06:37 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

He speaks very serious BS.

Psycho Daaaaaaaad, psycho Daaaaaaaaaaaaad, psycho Daaaaaaaaaaad!

Ask him what is metallic, what is clearcoat exactly and ask him to show you the differences between metallics, micas and solid colors, aka SS, CC or Tri-Coats.

And wax the car when he leaves.

**yakky** · Feb 17, 2007, 07:22 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Show him you have people skills. Calmly ask him what might convince him that its a good idea to wax his car. Then proceed with that.

**PaBlkBrd** · Feb 17, 2007, 07:48 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Always keep this in mind.....he is still your dad! You know him better than anyone. Maybe you can do a sneak attack and wax just one panel on the car and show him the results, and then he might tell you to do the rest of the car thinking this was his idea and not yours. That way you both win! Good Luck

**PorscheGuy997** · Feb 17, 2007, 08:58 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

All these replies are correct. It is perfectly safe to wax metallics. I have two vehicles that are metallics and they wax fine. In fact, they look better than standard colored paint when waxed.

As for your dad: You know, you might dislike him, but he is still your dad. I gaurentee that if your dad left, you would greatly miss him. My suggestion, treasure every moment you spend with him and learn to work around those quirks that everyone has. For example, my dad refused to use any sort of buffer to apply waxes claiming that it would burn the paint, even standard 7in orbitals with terry cloth pads! Solution, I did everything by hand when he was around and I used the buffer when he wasn't.

Everyone has their problems, it's how we deal with them that matters.

**the other pc** · Feb 17, 2007, 12:20 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

The issue isn't whether you can wax metallics or not, we all know you can. The issue is dealing with a difficult situation.

bernard78, My dad was the same way with us. Of course I argued with him when I was young. That's just part of being young. And even I though I never grew up I did get older and eventually I just accepted that he was the way he was and I was never going to change his mind about anything.

I accepted that it wasn't a reflection on me, my knowledge or my skills. He was just set in his ways. We were and always would be his children. He would do the talking. It was our job to listen. He did love us and he was proud of us, he just expressed it differently.

So my advice is to leave it alone. If he doesn't want his car waxed, don't. Life's to short to fight with the ones you love over such things.

PC.

**bernard78** · Feb 18, 2007, 02:34 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Yes....I understand all you guy's advice. I guess it's just a Dad kinda thing that everyone has. Since he will be away this few days, I'll just go on waxing his car for him. Deep inside tho, I think he just doesn't want to see me get tired & worked out after waxing the car for him. Hehehe.... Thanks guys for the advice.

**rascal** · Feb 18, 2007, 08:59 AM

Re: Just had an argument with my dad on waxing.

Hey Bernard.

My Dad is kinda similar to yours. My Dad use to use Windex to wipe down his 58' Ford after driving it around town, paint and all.

He is stubborn in his ways, but I finally convinced him after showing him my car's paint after detailing. I did the full wash, clay, polish and wax on this classic and he was dumbfounded. My Dad never compliments anybody in the family for things done for him, but he did this day. I showed him how using Quick Detailer will keep the car glossy and protected w/o stripping wax, while removing road dust, bird droppings and bug splatter. My Dad is a very stubborn man and I was really surprised his turn around on this matter. All I did was talk to him and actually had to show him results from other cars I did. The proof is in the puddin'. If you have a friend with a Metallic color car, show your Dad before and after. Either do it in person or pictures. The "test" area we do before polishing a car is always a real "eye opener"

**STG** · Feb 18, 2007, 11:03 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Tape off half of Dad's car and give it a full detail. See which half he likes (after he stops yelling at you).

**gb387** · Feb 18, 2007, 02:18 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Originally posted by STG View Post

Tape off half of Dad's car and give it a full detail. See which half he likes (after he stops yelling at you).

There is a good idea!

My grandfather can't be convinced that waxing a clear coated vehicle is worth it, he comments '...thats what the clear coat is for, protection and shine, no wax is needed...'. Now I may just have to try this sometime on the hood of his truck. I know I can make it look good and protect it.

**Bence** · Feb 18, 2007, 03:03 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Why do people have no clue about the *mystical* clearcoat? They think that it's something otherwordly phenomenon - but it is just colorless paint!

**xebola** · Feb 19, 2007, 10:53 AM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Originally posted by Bence View Post

Why do people have no clue about the *mystical* clearcoat? They think that it's something otherwordly phenomenon - but it is just colorless paint!

My neighbor was told by her dealership that her car didn't need to be waxed because it had a clear coat. My other neighbor was sold an extremely stiff bristle brush by his dealer and told that it wouldn't leave scratches on his brand new car if he used it to clean off snow. And this thing is stiff. You could clean clay off of a golf club with it.

Some dealerships spew out this type of nonsense. I no longer argue about it. How could I possibly know more about this stuff than a car dealership?

Oh well. You can't save them all.

**Lucky161** · Mar 1, 2007, 07:27 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

I am clueless about the clearcoat situations too. That's why I came to this formula. I am 55 and my dad is 79 and we don't argue about too much anymore, but neither of us knows what to do with the clearcoat. I have a 2004 Kia Optima that I bought new. I originally planned to wax it every year, but being afraid that I would mess it up, it's never been waxed other than the spray on kind at car washes. It still looks terrific, but I've seen other cars with clearcoats where it's peeling and/or the paint is looking awful.
Also even though it still looks great, if you get close enough you can see a few small spots that are actually dried spit that I didn't get off before it set up. I can live with it like it is, but would love to take care of those spots without causing more problem than is already there.
Suggestions?

**HagFan** · Mar 1, 2007, 07:42 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Could be worse. He could be like us...and then he'd want you to 5-step it every week or two.

If it's a lighter color and he doesn't keep if too long, no problem. Otherwise, he'll eventually come around to your point of view-- if he keeps his eyes open, that will eventually open his mind.

I bought a black car in 1987 that had what was then called a "no wax" finish on it-- nowdays known as clear coat. I kept it for just under 5 years and after about 2 years of not waxing it I discovered that "no wax" was a complete falicy. The car didn't have a scratch on it but it had a lot of spots and etches from acid rain and what have you.

Clear Coat is not "no wax"... and there is no such thing when we're talking cars. You might be able to get away with it on a polyurathane coated floor but that's indoors.

**Larry A** · Mar 1, 2007, 07:42 PM

Re: Just had an arguement with my dad on waxing.

Clay , Color X and finish off with NXT. You wont believe how good the car will look.

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