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[Mongoose]

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Understood, sorry for my misquote. I would be inclined to accept that possibility except for the fact that this was the first time I've used a QD on the car since I began using my d/a and the new Ultimate products back in January. I had similar issues last year when I was using NXT2.0 but they disappeared when I switched over to GC+ and the paint was not as well prepared as it is now. From what Mike Stoops said about a past experience this sounds very similar to what I'm dealing with. The smearing was immediately apparent when using the liquid but seems to have popped up later with the paste. Let me state this for anyone who is reading here, I'm NOT bashing this product. So far as I can see I'm the only one on this site that is having this issue and as I've tried both versions now I'm working under the premise that the problem is on my end and not with UW or Meguiars. I'm just looking for a solution that will allow me to use this product on a regular basis as the initial results are indeed amazing.

[Michael Stoops]

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Well, back to the drawing board. The smearing continues, and I have no idea as to why. The car was driven briefly a week ago Thursday to get it's annual inspection and then put away. I put it back in the building,went over it with a California duster,put the cover back on and there it has sat for just over a week. I went to get something out of the car last Saturday and you could see where the cover had made contact with the car. I went to wipe it away and there it was...smearing on the surface, but not as severe as before. I commenced to wipe down the entire car with QD and a fresh microfiber but even then there's still smearing. At this point I'm ready to go back to GC+ and pawn off this UW to anyone willing to take it. All I want to know at this point is why does this product seem to resist working with "paint in great or well maintained"condition? What exactly is in this product that is causing this in both liquid and paste versions? Could it be the polymers or something else?

What we said was that paint in great condition and regularly/well maintained will be more prone to experience the issues you are having. - that does not mean that this product is resistant to working on such a surface. To elaborate - the newer paint is, or the more highly prepared it is, the "tighter" the surface is and therefore it has less a smoother surface that the polymer load can essentially slide around on a bit more, for lack of a more "technical" term. For the "average Joe" who doesn't bother to use a clay bar or paint cleaner, UW (or any other wax, for that matter) gets down into the fissures and texture of the paint and can initially hang on tighter, so to speak. This reduces the amount of pushing around of the polymers that can occur.

On very well prepped paint, brand new paint, or good paint with a relatively fresh application of sealant on it, it's easier for the polymers to be pushed around and they can take a bit longer to fully bond to the surface.

What's really interesting here is that it seems you had no streaking issues with the paste version to start with but it showed up a week later? That is very, very odd. And it has us wondering if it's not the wax at all but the QD you're using. Stay with us a minute here, because this is pretty rare but we have seen it before. Mikejl, a member here on MOL and regular at our TNOGs, had a strange streaking/filming issue on his non metallic black Camry Hybrid and we had a heck of a time diagnosing the issue. He would roll in with this strange film on the paint that you could run your fingers along and see your finger streaks in it, but those finger marks would go away after about 10 minutes. The visible film was still there, but it's like it migrated on its own to cover back over the finger marks. He was using Ultimate Quik Detailer, but the same thing happened with M135 (basically the same stuff) but it also happened with regular QD and Last Touch. It was crazy, and it seemed nothing he or we did would resolve this - but it obviously doesn't happen to everyone, and it very rarely happens at all. As it turns out, by switching to M34 Final Inspection, all his issues were resolved. Crazy, but that was his experience.

And it's this weird issue of the streaking not being there after you applied the wax, but having it show up a week later - after the car had sat under the cover and then you wiped it down with a detailing spray.

[Mongoose]

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Well, back to the drawing board. The smearing continues, and I have no idea as to why. The car was driven briefly a week ago Thursday to get it's annual inspection and then put away. I put it back in the building,went over it with a California duster,put the cover back on and there it has sat for just over a week. I went to get something out of the car last Saturday and you could see where the cover had made contact with the car. I went to wipe it away and there it was...smearing on the surface, but not as severe as before. I commenced to wipe down the entire car with QD and a fresh microfiber but even then there's still smearing. At this point I'm ready to go back to GC+ and pawn off this UW to anyone willing to take it. All I want to know at this point is why does this product seem to resist working with "paint in great or well maintained"condition? What exactly is in this product that is causing this in both liquid and paste versions? Could it be the polymers or something else?

[Blue Apollo IV]

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The solution was to switch over to the paste vesion and what a difference it made! Called Meguiars and after speaking with Tim he recommended a switch to the paste and explained why. Paste wax arrived and results were just what I anticipated,TERRIFIC!! Went on incredibly easy. Removal was near effortless and left a slick hard finish with NO SMEARING!!

I have to echo your comments on the Paste version.

I have used nothing but liquid waxes for as long as I can remember. But I tried a bit of the paste on my hood yesterday and wow...much better experience than the liquid version of Ultimate wax.

For me - it went on easier, did not smear, came off easier and seemed to have a quicker drying time. The only thing I'll miss is that the liquid had a nice fragrance and it was safe for all the black plastic trim I have. But I think I'm going to stick with the Paste version.

Thanks for the tip again, Mongoose.

[Blue Apollo IV]

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I had a similar experience with the liquid version as Mongoose had - but I don't want to rush to judgment. I'll wait in the meantime for springtime to do a proper clean up and detail. But I did buy the paste version to have on hand, just in case.

Thanks for the info Mongoose.

[Mongoose]

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Why is that exactly? I would think it would be the opposite.

[Brian Hann]

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Tim mentioned something about the condition of the paint possibly being an issue as well so who knows...mine being in very good shape makes me wonder.

Yes, that is correct. In this case a paint in great condition and regularly/well maintained will be more prone to experience the issues you are having.

[Mongoose]

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Glad to see you had great results, seems like I'm the only one here that didn't. Anyway, I'm going to hang on to the rest of the bottle in case I get the chance to try it on another car. Tim mentioned something about the condition of the paint possibly being an issue as well so who knows...mine being in very good shape makes me wonder.

[hemi]

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Nice even deep gloss look!!
I experimented with the Ultimate Liquid wax in 56 degree weather in my garage.
I did one side of black vehicle with G100 polisher,and the other side by hand.
Personally,I like the way it goes on with the G100,seems to go on nice ,thin,and even
I waited 10 minutes and buffed off by hand.
Both sides came out streak free,and smear free.
Surface seemed to have a very even deep gloss look to it also!
I think you were right , your product may have been affected by temperature change.
I did a finger smear test prior to removal ,and product still had a bit of smear to it but I buffed it off anyway and it turned out great!

[smack]

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You sir have one heck of a shine. Glad it worked out for you.

[Mongoose]

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The problem was that after the wax was buffed off you could see it actually smear like a greasy film even after the car sat for a week,which indicated to me it had not cured/hardened/bonded even after properly preparing the surface. Possible causes thrown around were the wax was exposed to freezing temps during shipment (came from ADS in AZ in January),climate (application was done in a heated shop) and technique(application was by both hand and with d/a) which were all addressed so this route was chosen and paid off. I've always been a liquid wax fan on this particular car but after this round with UW and similar problems with NXT2.0 previously I'll stick with the paste on this one.

[Brian Hann]

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I'd still like to know why, in this case, Ultimate Wax paste was suggested instead of Ultimate Wax liquid?

If you reread Mongoose's post you will realize the reason for this thread was his difficulty in removing UWL (Ultimate Wax Liquid). Tim sent him the paste version of Ultimate Wax in hopes he would have a much better experience.

[Merlin]

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My Bad...thanks for clarifying

I'd still like to know why, in this case, Ultimate Wax paste was suggested instead of Ultimate Wax liquid?

[Rob66]

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Did you use the Ultimate Quick Wax?
I thought you used The Ultimate Wax Paste.

BTW - What were the reasons he gave for the liquid "smearing" and why switch to the paste?

Hey Merlin

I think you quoted the wrong post Mongoose has used Ultimate Paste Wax on his 'I think its a Pontiac'. I am yet to try the Quik Wax version, we cant get the Ultimate Wax in the UK i'm sorry to say.

Rob

[rcktpwrd]

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looks great!