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[Mongoose]

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Took the car down to bare paint and started from scratch with DC1 followed by UP with a yellow polishing pad with a 20% IPA solution wipedown between the DC1 and UP. I then performed test spots using ULW,UPW,GC+,Mothers Reflections and California Gold carnauba,one set applied on top of the UP on one side of the hood and another applied after an IPA wipedown on the other side. All 3 Meguiars LSPs smeared immediately after wipe-off and continued to smear after repeated tests up to 24 hours later. The Cali Gold was a bit old but it worked as expected. The Reflections worked perfectly as well, even with the Top Coat. I don't know what to say at this point but don't let my experience stop you from using it if you choose. Even though I've found quite a number of people who are also having issues with this product there is an overwhelming number who have had great results with it so go for it and see what happens. I guess my car and Megs LSPs just weren't meant to be. At least I can count on Megs for great defect correction...

[dreamps]

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any updates mongoose? i wanted to use uw liquid tom after a nice wash

[Mongoose]

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I wouldn't call it an answer just yet, more like possible solutions to try. I picked up some M34 today so that along with other items in my arsenal (GC+,IPA,DC1,etc.) I hope to find my answer to this problem over the weekend. From what i read over at Autogeek's forum there's more people having similar issues with the new UW and are not happy with it. We'll see what happens...

[Albert87]

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i have the same my cars looks terible okay i does not fade!
but. it smears like crazty on evey part in the car during the sun! at 17c degrees

im gonna switch over to paste wax also !
might consider Gold-class plus paste wax this time!

Thanks for posting your problem and answer

good luck with the Beautiful blacky you got !!
Keep it shiny like crazy!!

[Mongoose]

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Mine is garaged as well, the cover is just that extra level of protection but I'm beginning to think it may be contributing to the problem.

[Selectchoice]

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Will do and thanks for the help. I may also take the car back to the Polish stage and try GC+ on a test spot just to see if it gives me the same problems as UW.
You mentioned the microfiber causing the film to appear when left on the car...before I initially put the cover on the car the surface was perfect but afterwards the trouble began,do you cover your car or not? Just trying to determine if covering the car may be a contributing factor.

I haven't tried GC+ so that would be a good test too. And always good to do that all important test spot!

I don't cover my car at all, it's garaged. The spot with the microfibre was concentrated to just the area directly under where the cloth was lying. To give you an idea, it looked like an area that hadn't had the sealant wiped off after applying, like it had drawn sealant up from the panel. The panel had been thoroughly wiped clean. Very weird. The rest of that panel had general streaking all over.

[Mongoose]

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Will do and thanks for the help. I may also take the car back to the Polish stage and try GC+ on a test spot just to see if it gives me the same problems as UW.
You mentioned the microfiber causing the film to appear when left on the car...before I initially put the cover on the car the surface was perfect but afterwards the trouble began,do you cover your car or not? Just trying to determine if covering the car may be a contributing factor.

[Selectchoice]

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Have you tried M34 on this problem? In Mike Stoops last reply that was the solution for one particular car that was experiencing similar issues and I was looking to give that a try.

No I haven't tried M34 on this car. Main reason is because I like the properties of UQD and Last Touch and they work fine on 99.9%+ of cars I have seen so I have stocked up on them. It's just this one car which is a pain...

M34 is a good product though. I used to use it all the time, although before this car's tenure. I haven't any left to try out so I can't give you an answer. Let me know how you go if you do try it.

[Mongoose]

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Have you tried M34 on this problem? In Mike Stoops last reply that was the solution for one particular car that was experiencing similar issues and I was looking to give that a try.

[Selectchoice]

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This sounds exactly like my situation! Did you use the UQD method you mentioned earlier or another process?

I used the UQD method I mentioned. The same works with Last Touch as well. You will need to experiment and adjust how much you spray onto the microfibre cloth to work best. In my case it is just a light mist of UQD, not a heavily damp towel, but play around a bit to get it right for your car, and remember to use a second dry towel for immediate wipe off.

If there are any really, really persistant streaks, a car wash after the above method seems to do the trick. A few gentle passes over the streaks with a wash mitt and car wash solution is the key. Just keep your eye on the panel so you can see the streaks you're trying to remove and guage your progress.

[Mongoose]

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Have you tried a very fine water mist on a MF towel and wipe the streaks you find?
That little tip solved any small problems that I had...It's quick, easy and it worked like a champ!

Tried this method initially but no success. My problem doesn't involve streaking but smearing.

Mongoose, Do you heat your garage with a Kerosene Heater?
What was on your car most recently prior to trying Liquid wax?
Basicly could there have been a fine film on your car prior to waxing that might of caused the wax not to take properly? Some heaters can leave a fine oily film almost undetected on surfaces.
Just throwing some ideas out there.
Something on your pads or microfiber that might have caused some cross contamination?
I did notice some darker blotches on my vehicle a couple days later but after going over it with UQD and UQW ,it looked good and has stayed that way.
My truck had been washed,clayed,polished ,paint cleaner then waxed with NXT 6 months earlier,rewaxed 2 months prior to Liquid Wax.
I have black paint, no metalflake in the paint so its easy to see any little defect.
Have you tried washing it a few days later and maybe that would resolve the problem.
Reaching for straws but who knows!

Shop is heated by natural gas. Pads and towels used were straight from the dryer. Prior to UW I had a coat of 2.0 topped by GC+ and the car was prepped in this manner:
Wash with Dawn
Claying was deemed unnecessary
2 sessions with UC followed by 2 sessions of SwirlX. This was followed by 1 session with UP and then the UW scenario began. UC,SwirlX and UP were done with a d/a and yellow polishing pads. First application of UW was with d/a and black finishing pad. Subsequent UW was by hand.

On my Holden Calais (Pontiac G8 equivalent), I have a similar occurrance with Ultimate Quik Detailer. If sprayed directly onto a panel, it appears to wipe clean, only to "smear up" before your eyes over the next few minutes. My solution was to directly spray the detailer onto a microfibre cloth and spread it over the panel, then wipe it clean with a new cloth. Works like a charm, and completely solved the problem. The same thing happens to this car with Last Touch. On other cars either of these products work fine, with no tricky application protocol.

On a side note, M21 and Nxt 2.0 are a little different on this car too. Applying a thin coat with a finishing pad and DA, either product spreads fine, and wipes off effortlessly. Wait 24 hours and apply coat number two. Same application technique, same easy wipe off. However, after the first coat the panels are crisp and clear. After the second coat, there is visible smearing which requires UQD (using the method mentioned earlier), a wash, or a few days left alone to clear. If you place a microfibre towel on the wiped clean panel (before UQDing) and leave it on a panel for say, half an hour or so, upon lifting the towel there is a clearly visible "coating" exactly under the area where the towel was placed. It wipes off easily enough, but there is still a consistently erractic smear over the panel. Visually it appears "deeper" into the paint, although I know it isn't.

Possibly it's more evident on this car being metallic black and may not be as noticable or even an issue on lighter cars. On other cars, either M21 or Nxt 2.0 have worked perfectly. It is just an unusual occurrance on my car and I have found a few creative ways to deal with it.

Having said this, I have recently applied and removed two coats of M21 and it is shining like glass! All smears gone now....

This sounds exactly like my situation! Did you use the UQD method you mentioned earlier or another process?

[Selectchoice]

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On very well prepped paint, brand new paint, or good paint with a relatively fresh application of sealant on it, it's easier for the polymers to be pushed around and they can take a bit longer to fully bond to the surface.

What's really interesting here is that it seems you had no streaking issues with the paste version to start with but it showed up a week later? That is very, very odd. And it has us wondering if it's not the wax at all but the QD you're using. Stay with us a minute here, because this is pretty rare but we have seen it before. Mikejl, a member here on MOL and regular at our TNOGs, had a strange streaking/filming issue on his non metallic black Camry Hybrid and we had a heck of a time diagnosing the issue. He would roll in with this strange film on the paint that you could run your fingers along and see your finger streaks in it, but those finger marks would go away after about 10 minutes. The visible film was still there, but it's like it migrated on its own to cover back over the finger marks. He was using Ultimate Quik Detailer, but the same thing happened with M135 (basically the same stuff) but it also happened with regular QD and Last Touch. It was crazy, and it seemed nothing he or we did would resolve this - but it obviously doesn't happen to everyone, and it very rarely happens at all. As it turns out, by switching to M34 Final Inspection, all his issues were resolved. Crazy, but that was his experience.

And it's this weird issue of the streaking not being there after you applied the wax, but having it show up a week later - after the car had sat under the cover and then you wiped it down with a detailing spray.

On my Holden Calais (Pontiac G8 equivalent), I have a similar occurrance with Ultimate Quik Detailer. If sprayed directly onto a panel, it appears to wipe clean, only to "smear up" before your eyes over the next few minutes. My solution was to directly spray the detailer onto a microfibre cloth and spread it over the panel, then wipe it clean with a new cloth. Works like a charm, and completely solved the problem. The same thing happens to this car with Last Touch. On other cars either of these products work fine, with no tricky application protocol.

On a side note, M21 and Nxt 2.0 are a little different on this car too. Applying a thin coat with a finishing pad and DA, either product spreads fine, and wipes off effortlessly. Wait 24 hours and apply coat number two. Same application technique, same easy wipe off. However, after the first coat the panels are crisp and clear. After the second coat, there is visible smearing which requires UQD (using the method mentioned earlier), a wash, or a few days left alone to clear. If you place a microfibre towel on the wiped clean panel (before UQDing) and leave it on a panel for say, half an hour or so, upon lifting the towel there is a clearly visible "coating" exactly under the area where the towel was placed. It wipes off easily enough, but there is still a consistently erractic smear over the panel. Visually it appears "deeper" into the paint, although I know it isn't.

Possibly it's more evident on this car being metallic black and may not be as noticable or even an issue on lighter cars. On other cars, either M21 or Nxt 2.0 have worked perfectly. It is just an unusual occurrance on my car and I have found a few creative ways to deal with it.

Having said this, I have recently applied and removed two coats of M21 and it is shining like glass! All smears gone now....

[hemi]

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Understood, sorry for my misquote. I would be inclined to accept that possibility except for the fact that this was the first time I've used a QD on the car since I began using my d/a and the new Ultimate products back in January. I had similar issues last year when I was using NXT2.0 but they disappeared when I switched over to GC+ and the paint was not as well prepared as it is now. From what Mike Stoops said about a past experience this sounds very similar to what I'm dealing with. The smearing was immediately apparent when using the liquid but seems to have popped up later with the paste. Let me state this for anyone who is reading here, I'm NOT bashing this product. So far as I can see I'm the only one on this site that is having this issue and as I've tried both versions now I'm working under the premise that the problem is on my end and not with UW or Meguiars. I'm just looking for a solution that will allow me to use this product on a regular basis as the initial results are indeed amazing.

Mongoose, Do you heat your garage with a Kerosene Heater?
What was on your car most recently prior to trying Liquid wax?
Basicly could there have been a fine film on your car prior to waxing that might of caused the wax not to take properly? Some heaters can leave a fine oily film almost undetected on surfaces.
Just throwing some ideas out there.
Something on your pads or microfiber that might have caused some cross contamination?
I did notice some darker blotches on my vehicle a couple days later but after going over it with UQD and UQW ,it looked good and has stayed that way.
My truck had been washed,clayed,polished ,paint cleaner then waxed with NXT 6 months earlier,rewaxed 2 months prior to Liquid Wax.
I have black paint, no metalflake in the paint so its easy to see any little defect.
Have you tried washing it a few days later and maybe that would resolve the problem.
Reaching for straws but who knows!

[rst08tierney]

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Looks great, Love the TT2's on Kit

[Merlin]

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...I've tried both versions now I'm working under the premise that the problem is on my end and not with UW or Meguiars. I'm just looking for a solution that will allow me to use this product on a regular basis as the initial results are indeed amazing.

Have you tried a very fine water mist on a MF towel and wipe the streaks you find?
That little tip solved any small problems that I had...It's quick, easy and it worked like a champ!