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**RamAirV1** · Nov 16, 2005, 06:08 PM

That's going to vary a lot from vehicle to vehicle. So it's hard to give a concrete number of weeks or months as far as durability.

NXT lasts a lot longer on my dad's Grand Prix GTP than on my GTO. Why? I have no idea. I get maybe a month or so on my GTO, longer if I use the Spray Booster Wax. I use NXT because I love the look. I have been experimenting with #21 and I am very impressed with it!

My two suggestions are to either 1) use the Spray Booster Wax after every wash or two, or 2) Try the #21 Professional Sealant. The Spray Booster Wax is very easy and fast to use BTW.

RamAirV1

**blkbmw** · Nov 17, 2005, 05:15 AM

I have read about the #21. Is this final step in place of wax and if so, how does it compare in shine and durability to the wax.

**Mike Phillips** · Nov 17, 2005, 12:28 PM

Hi blkbmw,

It was nice speaking with you by the phone today. We appreciate your comments and feedback from your experience with this product.

Just to note that sometimes the appearance level from the results you've achieved will fall-off when you wash a car but that doesn't mean all the wax has been removed from the paint.

Mike

**RamAirV1** · Nov 17, 2005, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
Hi blkbmw,

It was nice speaking with you by the phone today. We appreciate your comments and feedback from your experience with this product.

Just to note that sometimes the appearance level from the results you've achieved will fall-off when you wash a car but that doesn't mean all the wax has been removed from the paint.

Mike

It's unavoidable. That is why I prefer to use a quick detailer instead of washing if all I have is light to moderate dust on my car. IMHO the QD seems to remove less wax than a regular wash job. My favorite is the NXT Speed Detailer! It makes the finish slick again and really enhances the gloss from the initial coats of NXT.

RamAirV1

**gb387** · Nov 17, 2005, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by RamAirV1

It's unavoidable. That is why I prefer to use a quick detailer instead of washing if all I have is light to moderate dust on my car. IMHO the QD seems to remove less wax than a regular wash job. My favorite is the NXT Speed Detailer! It makes the finish slick again and really enhances the gloss from the initial coats of NXT.

RamAirV1

Another thing that may help... I always apply a QD after a wash to help bring back some of the lost depth/shine. It really helps enhance the shine in addition to removing water spots IMO its well worth it.

**HammerDown** · Nov 17, 2005, 07:59 PM

NXT didn't work out for me...seemed to last only a few short days in the hot summer heat on my black vehicle.

All I can offer is this little bit of a suggestion...M21 or even M20 These 2 simply last and last!

**sneek** · Nov 17, 2005, 08:02 PM

ya some people say that NXT paste last longer than NXT liquid wax. i found the same thing (that gold class last longer)
but i have never seen anything like #26 it lasts a canadian winter which can be over 6 months !

**HammerDown** · Nov 18, 2005, 05:40 AM

For me, NXT fell way short in the below observations and how I expected it to perform.

If I may...
We the consumer have been trained by surface protectant Manufactures to...(see and feel).
It would appear that the only way for a user such as myself and I'm sure thousands of others that use any of the countless topically applied surface protectant products on the market making all these promises/claims about (lasting protection) could be measured by 2-things.
1) Touch... way the product feels on the surface, you know that buttery smooth feeling we can (feel) somethings on the surface.
2) Visially...the ability of said protectant to bead water on the protected surface, we can (see) somethings going on.
lm sure shine could be a factor...but todays clear coat paints shine pretty darn good anyway.
Based on these two things, unless we can feel it and see it, we the consumer really has no idea if said product is for lack of better words...really doing anything!
I for one feel my painted surface may have better protection from lets say bird dropping/water etching (if) the surface is still beading water like crazy and has that SUPER SLICK buttery smooth feel to it like just after a fresh application. This is how I was "trained" to think.
I for one don't care what color a protectant is (OR) how pretty or attractive it smells...not like Im going to taste it.

I only want it to do 2 things, protect and last...ok I'll toss in some shine

as well.

So far, M21 and M20 are giving me the results that I can see and feel...and for the longest time.
For me, NXT fell way short in the above observations and how I expected it to perform. If in very short time it no longer offered that slick feel or see it bead water, it must not be doing anything...after all, this is what I was trained to belive.

**OctaneGuy** · Nov 18, 2005, 09:34 AM

Interesting points HammerDown. While you're just as passionate to say that NXT doesn't work, I'm just as passionate to say that NXT works beautifully. I've got a dark blue metallic paint that requires just about the same upkeep as if it were black.

When I apply NXT with my PC, after proper paint care prep using the Meguiar's 5 step method, my finish stays slick and shiny for months. In fact, I've been using NXT for 2 years now. I wipe the finish down with a microfiber towel and Speed Detailer atleast once a day.

If anyone thinks that NXT lasts only 2 days, it makes me think that maybe:

1.) It's being applied incorrectly
2.) The paint hasn't been prepped correctly
3.) Your means of measuring durability/longevity are beyond the limits or accepted standard of what a synthetic wax can provide.

While M21 is a better product over NXT, as that's now my wax of choice for both my car and my clients, Tech Wax has worked beautifully for hundreds of cars I've detailed. Customers always come back and tell me weeks after the detail how it's so much easier to wash their cars now because the water just sheets off.

Just my 2cents.

**HammerDown** · Nov 18, 2005, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by OctaneGuy
Interesting points HammerDown. While you're just as passionate to say that NXT doesn't work, I'm just as passionate to say that NXT works beautifully.

...While M21 is a better product over NXT, ...

All due respects, sorry if I came across as putting down NXT, were all just giving opinions here.
I just see it being a "better" to M21 or M20. And by your quote above...you would agree.

On a new car, just a few days out of the showroom NXT out of the can and on the vehicle, the NXT paste only appeared to last via touch and visually>water beading...only a few short days. i belive this is how we the consumer are somewhat traind in what to belive how long a protectant lasts...no?

IMHO I don't personally feel the need to do a 5-step method on such fresh paint. Down the road in a few months or so (if) for some reason the M21 doesn't give me the same results...then I start going the extra work. But so far, no need to, I'm good.

**OctaneGuy** · Nov 18, 2005, 12:28 PM

I would disagree whether "fresh paint" needs the 5 steps or not. Our cars take a long journey from when they are built. For our MINIs, they are built in the UK, take a train ride, ride a boat, then take a truck to the dealers. These cars are pretty much delivered to the owner within days of arriving in the USA.

For other vehicles that sit at the dealer lot for months, I've seen the back lots with brand new vehicles covered in bird poo and dust. How the dealers detail the cars is nothing like how we take care of the paint. Will they clay bar these cars before delivery?? Not likely.

How did the paint look? You know about the DISO right?? Dealer Installed Swirl Option. Was the car swirl free upon delivery??

I've used Tech Wax liquid mostly, though for the past 6 months, I also used NXT Paste Wax for comparison. I'd like to see how you determined the wax only provided a few days protection? Sure you say it only beaded up for a few days, but is that a sure sign that the wax is no longer protecting the paint?

The reason I like M21 better than Tech Wax comes down to ease of application (removal) and slickness. You can take a panel with NXT, and put M21 on it. Then after it's dried and buffed off, drag your finger and yes, there is a noticeable slickness of M21 that NXT doesn't have. But it's still there protecting just fine.

Anyhow, for whatever reason, it's good that M21 works better for you.

**HammerDown** · Nov 18, 2005, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by OctaneGuy
I would disagree whether "fresh paint" needs the 5 steps or not. Our cars take a long journey from when they are built. For our MINIs, they are built in the UK, take a train ride, ride a boat, then take a truck to the dealers. These cars are pretty much delivered to the owner within days of arriving in the USA.

For other vehicles that sit at the dealer lot for months, I've seen the back lots with brand new vehicles covered in bird poo and dust. How the dealers detail the cars is nothing like how we take care of the paint. Will they clay bar these cars before delivery?? Not likely.

How did the paint look? You know about the DISO right?? Dealer Installed Swirl Option. Was the car swirl free upon delivery??

I've used Tech Wax liquid mostly, though for the past 6 months, I also used NXT Paste Wax for comparison. I'd like to see how you determined the wax only provided a few days protection? Sure you say it only beaded up for a few days, but is that a sure sign that the wax is no longer protecting the paint?

The reason I like M21 better than Tech Wax comes down to ease of application (removal) and slickness. You can take a panel with NXT, and put M21 on it. Then after it's dried and buffed off, drag your finger and yes, there is a noticeable slickness of M21 that NXT doesn't have. But it's still there protecting just fine.

Anyhow, for whatever reason, it's good that M21 works better for you.

First off, let me say it's great we can come here to compare and give opinions about the products we the consumers purchase.

I'm quite familiar with the time frame it takes a (new) vehicle once delivered to a Shipping Port or rail yard to be received at the dealer...I was a Teamster new car hauler for 15 years up until last year. True, new cars can sit on a dealers lot for days,weeks, or maybe months. This is not what happened with my new car.
A new car WILL be on the dealers lot within a few days of it leaving the plant of manufacturing (here in the US)or a few days after it arrives from rail yard or Port to be put on a truck. Also, any NEW Foreign vehicle and most American vehicles that's delivered leaves the manufacture with a white plastic shrink wrap on all surfaces. This was only to be removed at the dealer by myself of the person checking in the new vehicle. It protects the painted surface from rail dust, acids rain, bird poo etc and other environmental fallout.

Back to my car if I may...
When I was on the hunt for a 06 Corolla-S 5 speed there was none to be had! A friend who works at a Toyota dealer in Delaware called and told me a 06 Corolla Metallic Black (not my color of choice) was to hit the ground in Port Newark NJ, just 2 hours from my house. I knew once it hit the ground he would have it in 24 hrs or less...he did. My car was delivered with the white protective plastic on it, it was checked in, plastic was removed and the surface sprayed with some BS show room shine detailer and in the show room it went waiting for me to drive it home the next day. Soooooo yes I can be sure my vehicle didn't sit outside for more than a hour or so.
After bringing it home my intent was to see...(whats the best product out now) Meguiars had to offer to help protect this black car. A phone tech said NXT...so I go purchase a tin of the paste as well as the NXT spray detailer.
On go 2 coats one followed by the second the next day.
NOW... if we are to judge a paints protection qualities by how well it beads water and/or that super smooth feel a fresh wax job leaves...well, it went away after a few short day's. Am I saying there was no protection left...no, but there sure didn't appear to be any type of NXT protection on the surface. I've had cleaner wax last much longer that NXT.
If in fact the only 2 things we as consumers have to check our protectant's longevity is by water beading and that slick feel (as we all look for), well then I guess there might as well be nothing on my clear coat except the clear!

Thats about it...if NXT holds out for other users...great!
But, there are also other people that had the same results as me, as can be seen by the starter of this thread.

By later conversing with a dedicated person from Meguires I have been made a satisfied customer thus far with M21 and M20.

That's my story...and I'm stickin with it

**OctaneGuy** · Nov 18, 2005, 04:22 PM

That's one of the things I love about MOL, is the diversity of everyones background and opinions!

Well, I just came back from washing the wifes SUV----haven't washed it in uhmmm months??? LOL

I think the last time it was washed was when we brought it back from the dealership and I did a full buff out. I think that was around end of August.

Car was filthy (from 2 days of rains), and it was dark when I started to wash, so no chance to wax, and this isn't one of those cars that I would quick detail everyday, or at all period. It's just not worth it to me.

After drying it off, using Insane Shine and NXT tire cleaner on the huge sidewalls, it looks freshly detailed. Tech Wax was still causing the water to bead up, and the excess water dried off very easily with my water magnet and Absorber.

Richard

Originally posted by HammerDown

I'm quite familiar with the time frame it takes a (new) vehicle once delivered to a Shipping Port or rail yard to be received at the dealer...I was a Teamster new car hauler for 15 years up until last year.
SNIP.....

By later conversing with a dedicated person from Meguires I have been made a satisfied customer thus far with M21 and M20.

That's my story...and I'm stickin with it

**RamAirV1** · Nov 18, 2005, 06:15 PM

My last 3 new cars had rail dust as standard equipment, in spite of being covered with that white plastic. Maybe they don't cover the whole car, who knows? Dealer detailers are clueless about removing it, which is just as well. I don't want some newbie taking a rotary to my brand new car. I would rather remove it myself.

NXT is great when used with the Spray Booster Wax and Speed Detailer. I did find the paste to be more durable than the liquid. I would agree that the M21 requires less maintenance. And the M21 doesn't smell bad, it is similar to #20. NXT smells better though LOL!

RamAirV1

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