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How does Ultimate Compound and M105 compare in regards to cut with a DA polisher? I need something more abrasive than M205, but only enough to get out the water marks, and I'm concerned about removing too much clear coat with Ultimate Compound.
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Re: Ultimate Compound and M105
Originally posted by 305Cummins View Post
Might be better to just change pads instead of product.
Move to a slightly more aggressive pad.Comment
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Water spots need more then a just a compound.
Meg's new Water Spot Remover Polish is what you need.Comment
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I thought the Water Spot Remover Polish was for hard water spots from a sprinkler etc. These water spots are from rain water that has etched the surface either because being acidic or drops that remained on the surface from a summer shower and then the sun came back out.Originally posted by Please Wash Me Detailing View PostComment
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Ultimate Compound is much more user friendly (when used with a D/A polisher) than M105 Ultra-Cut Compound, by that I mean less dusting/drying, longer buffing cycle, etc. Certainly you could give it a try, in your situation, using yellow polishing pad and speed 5 on your tool. Some harsh/deeply etched water spots/ bird droppings may even require sanding.Comment
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water spots are water spots.
105 doesn't have the ingredients to combat the minerals or what ever is in the WS.
By all means try 105 or UC and then go get WSRP
from your op it seams like you haven't done anything yet?
And your not going to remove a lot of CC, don't be scared. you have at least .2 mills of paint to work with and your'll only going to remove .o1 or .o2 mills when polishing.Comment
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Is this true? I thought water spots were a build up of minerals on the surface that would eventually eat its way down the clear coat. Wouldn't buffing that area remove the built up contaminant? WSRP is just a mild polish for the public, right?Originally posted by Please Wash Me Detailing View PostComment
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M105 works great on water spots. WSRP is just formulated more specifically for water spots.
Try M105 or UC first if you have either one of those on hand.Originally posted by BluelineComment
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I have tried M205, but it was not enough to eliminate the water marks. You can only see them in certain light situations, so I thought M205 would be enough. I can get Ultimate Compound locally, but I was concerned that it would remove too much clear coat.Originally posted by davey g-force View Post
Should I try Ultimate Compound, or try multiple applications of M205?Comment
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I would just try UC.
The amount of CC it removes is negligable, and it will save you a lot of work..Originally posted by BluelineComment
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A friend suggested mixing Ultimate Compound with the M205 I have for a level of cut in between the two. Could this work?Comment
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Yes, quite possibly. I've seen others use that approach successfully.Originally posted by BluelineComment
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Looks like we might have a bit of confusion here so let's see if we can hopefully clear things up a bit.
First off, as you've already discovered, M205 is fairly mild stuff - it is, after all, a finishing polish. On somewhat softer paints and with somewhat less severe defects it can be paired with a microfiber pad and provide pretty amazing levels of cut. But for the most part, it's a finishing polish and when the need arises and more severe defects are present, it generally makes more sense to step up to a more aggressive product.
In the case of water spots, you've got a very wide range of possible situations. Yes, water spotting is caused by the minerals and other material in the water that are left behind when the water evaporates. Removing them can be as simple as wiping with a quick detailer and a microfiber towel (like those little spots left behind after washing the car when a bit of water runs out from behind some piece of trim). That's the "best case scenario". The "worst case" is when those minerals and other material are allowed to bake into the finish and they quite literally etch deeply into the paint. In true "worst case" situations we've actually had to wet sand and rotary compound to get rid of the water spots. Obviously, though, there is an awful lot of variations between the "best case" and "worst case" situations described above. That means the process to remove the water spots also varies widely.
We would not hesitate one bit to step up to Ultimate Compound on a polishing pad to remove water spots, or even the DA Microfiber System if the severity of the spots and/or the hardness of the paint dictates it. If the water spots are actually etched into the paint, then the only way to remove them is to level some of the surrounding paint, and that takes a product with some level of abrasive in it - there is just no way around this. The trick is to balance out the aggressiveness, not only of the liquid being used by the process by which it is used. UC is less aggressive than M105 as far as what's in the respective bottles is concerned, but if you run M105 on a foam finishing pad at speed 3 on your DA it's not going to cut very much at all. By contrast, if you then ran UC on a microfiber cutting pad at speed 5 with a lot of pressure, you'd get much more defect removal than M105 on that foam finishing pad. Balance.
Our Water Spot Remover is essentially a compound but it is marketed toward the very specific situation presented by water spots. The general consuming public doesn't think of scratches, swirl marks, etch marks (whether from bird droppings or water spots), oxidation, stains, scuffs, etc as all being below surface defects that all get treated basically the same way - by an abrasive product that levels the paint to remove them. No, they look at these as unique problems that probably have unique solutions so they go looking for something to address their specific problem. So we basically make it easy for them and give them what they want.Michael Stoops
Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.
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Re: Ultimate Compound and M105
all I know is WSRP works better then 105 does.
I do this all the time.
WSRP will cut through a WS faster then 105, because it's designed to.
M105 is paint correction compound to "work" out paint defects.
WSRP is a water spot remover polish designed to remove water spots, and it does it better then 105.Comment
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