Are quick detailers dead?

[s word]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

As much as they may be "dead" in MOL eyes I still think there are tiny characteristics that I enjoy on each product.


Examples

Cleaning Effect
Waterless Wash and Wax
-usually requires more MF due to the MF soaking and heavier dirt removal
-cleans virtually the same as QD, better on heavy dirt
-basically acts as QD/QW in one step so it saves time

QD/QW
-light mist with hand held bottle
-cleans well on light/medium dirt
-process usually stops at QD for light dust removal


Drying Time (Flash drying)
Waterless Wash and Wax
-personally have found this stuff to evaporate quickly if trying to work on a sizeable panel in heat

QD/QW
-have experienced slower evap. on QDs on similar sized panels


Spotting
Waterless Wash and Wax
-left dense white residue (brake caliper heat shield was all spotted), just happened to catch a little over spray when cleaning wheels.

QD/QW
-never had spotting on anything if i could not completely remove the product


Amount of Product Used
Waterless Wash and Wax
-usually applied with hand pump pressure sprayer, create a soaked effect on dirt/paint

QD/QW
-light mist with hand held bottle


Alternatives
Waterless Wash and Wax
-Can act as a replacement to full hand wash

QD/QW
-is usually supplemental to a full hand wash, or done in between hand washes.


I know on some points it is more opinion, but I do feel like personally I have room for both items in my collection. Yes it is a jack of all trades, but finish the saying, master of none. Waterless Wash and Wax is a pretty close to being the master of all but it still in my eyes has its short comings. I own both QDs and Waterless solutions and will continue to use each as needed. So "dead", no. Dying, yes but Waterless still room for improvements.
I mostly appreciate the advancements and that Meguiars listened to us on this one. I can't wait to try this stuff.

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

I wash my car twice a week with ONR. Most times I don't even have to dry my car because I spray Last Touch or Final Touch to remove the water spots and streaks that have already dried. So for my process, QD's still have a viable role.

[rqk]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

Also quick detailer can be used on part of a car. I am not sure if a waterless wash could be. Beside the above mentioned bird dropping cleanup, I would use quick detailer before applying magnetic numbers for autox or a track day to avoid any dirt between the numbers and the finish. Would a waterless wash be as easy and economical to use. ... oh and I use it with a clay bar.

[07gtcs]

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I find I use more QD than I do WW, to me WW is just a phad and will fade with the wind. Tried ONR as a WW, hated it, but makes a great rinseless wash.

[Marc08EX]

I wash my car twice a week with ONR. Most times I don't even have to dry my car because I spray Last Touch or Final Touch to remove the water spots and streaks that have already dried. So for my process, QD's still have a viable role.

Why not use a spray wax?

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

^^^ Hey Marc! Just not a big fan of spray waxes and spray detailers are much faster to apply, cheaper, and leave a nice glowing finish. D115 will be my next no-rinse and that would further edge out spray waxing (for me). When I wax, I usually just opt for a full wax, one coat, two if I have nothing else going on that day.

[jarred767]

Interesting thought, but what about using D115 as a spray wax... When I wash my cars, or do a maintenance wash for my customers, I will use D156 in the drying process after a flood rinse to boost protection in-between full waxes. I wonder what type of protection, durability, and longevity D115 (say at 4:1) has compared to D156, because at that dilution it would definitely be more economical.

I LOVE D156, but just thinking of options that just popped in my head when I read those last comments.

[C8N]

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^ Wouldn't it make more sense just to wash the car with D115 and call it a day?

[Christopher.Brown]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

because at that dilution it would definitely be more economical.

D156 is at most $30 for a gallon.... i can get at minimum 10 cars out of a 16oz spray bottle....thats 80 cars per gallon

which equals $.375 per car..... i cant see cost being an issue here

do you have a fine mist sprayer?

[jarred767]

^ Wouldn't it make more sense just to wash the car with D115 and call it a day?

True, but I love washing my car the traditional way sometimes too (okay most times). Just thinking of different options.

[jarred767]

D156 is at most $30 for a gallon.... i can get at minimum 10 cars out of a 16oz spray bottle....thats 80 cars per gallon

which equals $.375 per car..... i cant see cost being an issue here

do you have a fine mist sprayer?

It wasn't that cost is a huge issue, just that its a factor. If you can get 80 cars out of a gallon of D156, then you should be able to get 400 cars out if a gallon of D115 (1 gallon of D115 makes 5 gallons at 4:1). At $60 per gallon it's only costing you $.15 a car; I just cut your expenses more than in half. I know it's not a huge difference per car, but if your doing a lot of volume, then it could add up.

Any time you save on expenses no matter the amount, your increasing your bottom line to some degree. My question though is if there is a loss in performance when comparing the two.

[Christopher.Brown]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

Oh i agree COMPLETELY with trying to maximize cost on anything. But i think to directly compare the two is unfair. As one is a dedicated spray way and the other is a WW with gloss enhancing polymers in it or a differnet wax formulation.

[perhaps Senior Stoops will be kind enough to tell us about the forulation of the wax in D115 and any durability tests of it as a standalone LSP - hint hint ]

Therefore, i dont see D115 being able to have the durability that D156 can offer.

To answer your question, I would have to say it comes down to how often you are servicing your clients cars.

If its once a week you could use D115 and then apply D156 once a month to help prolong the LSP and ad that extra lustre.
But if you service bi monthly i would spray D156 each time, ensuring it always looks top notch.

For me, i like to give max protection for my cleint's cars, because for the time i care for them they are, in effect MY CAR. And i ALWAYS want my car protected... So id opt for D156 every 2 weeks....

[Top Gear]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

No offense (I hope), but this is why I wouldn't likely hire a detailer for my own car. Cost-cutting and corner-cutting don't really impress me as a customer. I'd be more interested to hear about how they're using the best possible product and applying the most skilled elbow grease they can toward a long-lasting result I'd never get on my own. Except, for those of us who've bought a DA and top-quality Meg's product (yes, even from big box stores) and learned how to use it all correctly, we've found we can get much better or more consistent results than roaming detailer services (at least in my area), because we're NOT cutting corners or costs, and the elbow grease is free and open-ended and determined. I doubt very seriously Quik Detailer is suddenly "dead" just because a few detailing services figure out that Waterless Wash is cheaper by the gallon. Sorry if this offends anyone.

[jarred767]

It makes sense, but my original question was if it provides the same result in longevity of protection (D156 vs D115 @4:1). IF they provide the same results and have the same longevity, (or if you get the same results from a WW compared to a Quick Detailer) then as a business (or even as an individual) then why not use the one that costs less (remember, this is if results are the same); doesn't that make sense?

And as of yet, there still has yet to be any comments from Meguiars on the longevity of expected protection from D156 compared to D115 @ 4:1. Hint hint Megs

[Malo83]

Re: Are quick detailers dead?

Spray detailers and wax are alive and well in my neck of the woods, not into watered down products