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  • Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

    Let me first say that this forum has been great so far, and pushed me into purchasing a G110. I also bought the #83 Dual Action Cleaner/Polish and #9 Swirl Remover 2.0, alongside the 2.0 maroon foam cutting pad and the 2.0 yellow foam polishing pad. I did my parents 05 black dodge magnum with INCREDIBLE results, as the car appears to have no swirling or hazing even in direct sunlight. I understand paint thickness and hardness, but i did not want to push my limits. I used the hi-tech yellow wax #26 to finish the car with the yellow pad, and used the red pad with the #9 over the whole car. Somehow, the #83 worked better on the really whitish looking bumpers, so i did that with the red pad. The Magnum in Crystal Black Pearl is INCREDIBLE, i honestly could not believe the results.

    Well, since the results were so good, I decided we would try to tackle a friends 99 Lexus GS, which is also Black, I believe black onyx to be exact. Keep in mind that the car has 147,xxx miles of daily, never garaged Florida life. Now, i was under the impression that the car has no clearcoat, but, there was apparently some little dings from roofing shingles that were repaired, and parts of the car were cleared. The pads would come off black in some areas, and not in others, however very mild when black. The same process was applied, but much of the swirling remains. A friend insisted we didn't work the products enough, so i tried that as well. The lighting made us think the car looked the same at first, and more impressive later, as we were fooled by angles and shading.

    Under commercial parking lot lighting, flourescent typically, the hazing and swirling came back with a vengance. Now not only is the car shinier, but it really made the swirls and haze POP in the light. The car seems glossier, wetter, and really inky dark, but all the stuff we hated, is still there.
    24 hours later, the hood and trunk, not specificially, but most visible due to the overhead lighting, showed a really whitish haze. I hand applied Klasse AIO, as it darkened the paint, and it looked much better. I have some pictures from the car, maybe someone can help? I just want him to enjoy the finish my parents do, I havent even gotten to do my own personal cars yet!

    Also, my friend has an 03' S2000 he is getting ready to sell. I decided I would try to help him wring a couple bucks extra out of it, and try and help polish up his car. So, to err on the side of safety, we used the same proceedure, as i didnt want to do something that may take some time to reverse, like marring or scuffing that would require some experience to tackle. His car also has some minor paintwork, so the surfaces are inconsistent, at least in terms of the paint itself. No major body work again, just litte stuff, but the results were less dissapointing. The car still has a lot of little scratches and swirls, but it is silver and much less noticable. The final polishing of the paint seems to go well, as all the cars are super shiny, glossy, and offer plenty of depth. Im not trying to experiment with other peoples cars, however just trying to help. This also isnt a money issue, as i will recieve no payment for any of this, its just not satisfying to see a lack of progress, or no marked improvement.

    Sorry for such a long winded first post, and thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer me. I have been reading for hours and hours and hours, and it seems as though some people have tackled similar problems as I with similar stuff. Again, I am sorry if this is misplaced, and any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

    THANKS AGAIN!
    Mark


    here are the pictures i have, sorry, nightime and an iphone isnt the greatest combo

    Here you can see the difference, half the hood was done with the klasse, made no improvements in swirls, however darker black, there is a line down the middle of the hood there as is faintly visible, and a circle where some more polish was tried. The rest is the whitish color i was talking about.


    Here is just a general closer pic of the swirling.
    Last edited by 722ish; Aug 4, 2008, 01:26 AM. Reason: forgot pictures
    11 wrx Sti sedan
    95 Toyota Supra

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    Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

    Originally posted by 722ish View Post

    Well, since the results were so good, I decided we would try to tackle a friends 99 Lexus GS, which is also Black, I believe black onyx to be exact.

    Keep in mind that the car has 147,xxx miles of daily, never garaged Florida life.

    Now, i was under the impression that the car has no clearcoat, but, there was apparently some little dings from roofing shingles that were repaired, and parts of the car were cleared. The pads would come off black in some areas, and not in others, however very mild when black.

    The same process was applied, but much of the swirling remains. A friend insisted we didn't work the products enough, so i tried that as well. The lighting made us think the car looked the same at first, and more impressive later, as we were fooled by angles and shading.

    Under commercial parking lot lighting, fluorescent typically, the hazing and swirling came back with a vengeance. Now not only is the car shinier, but it really made the swirls and haze POP in the light. The car seems glossier, wetter, and really inky dark, but all the stuff we hated, is still there.

    24 hours later, the hood and trunk, not specifically, but most visible due to the overhead lighting, showed a really whitish haze.

    I hand applied Klasse AIO, as it darkened the paint, and it looked much better. I have some pictures from the car, maybe someone can help? I just want him to enjoy the finish my parents do, I haven't even gotten to do my own personal cars yet!


    Here you can see the difference, half the hood was done with the Klasse, made no improvements in swirls, however darker black, there is a line down the middle of the hood there as is faintly visible, and a circle where some more polish was tried. The rest is the whitish color i was talking about.



    Here is just a general closer pic of the swirling.


    Note the portions of your message that I turned red and bolded. These two factors combined with the picture could mean that the paint is actually shot, as in stick a fork in it because it's done.

    One test you could try would be to apply a product like the M80 Speed Glaze and work a small section really well and see how the paint looks afterwards, M80 is a lot richer in polishing oils compared to M83 and sometimes these polishing oils can work miracles...

    Blast from the Past! - The dead brought back to life!

    Before - Yes the paint is actually turning from red to white in some places


    After




    But not alwasy... so it could be you're doing everything right but the paint is past the point of no return. Hard to say for sure without being there so don't want to make a concrete statement saying the paint is too far gone but from the description of the way the paint is exposed to the climate and your results from working on it, kind of sound like it's past the point of no return.

    Mike Phillips
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    • #3
      Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

      I have seen pics of that Benz before throughout my searches here, and all I can say is WOW!

      Honestly though, the car gets a super glossy shine, and looks fairly deep when hand waxed with some Griot's Garage stuff(Best of show wax) that his father uses on all his cars. After looking today, the white haze rubs off with a finger, the paint looks super glossy, but heavy swirling and scratches remain. Should I continue trying with some different compounds, or should i ERR to the safe side and refrain from touching it? I dont want to make it worse, or do damage to his car from my own lack of knowledge!!
      11 wrx Sti sedan
      95 Toyota Supra

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      • #4
        Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

        Originally posted by 722ish View Post
        A friend insisted we didn't work the products enough, so i tried that as well.
        Originally posted by 722ish View Post
        the white haze rubs off with a finger
        Are you sure you didn't worked too much the products getting it to dry buff? What pad/product combination have you tried to correct this problem?

        Maybe try this use a less aggressive combination, use something like M09 on the finishing pad to see how it ends up. If this doesn't do you can always use Cleaner Wax with the finishing pad and see if this removes the haze, if it does then you apply a pure polish by hand to top it with a wax of choice.

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        • #5
          Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

          I find that whwn the applied buffed polish is starting to gum up or hard to remove that it is definitely time to clean the bonnet or pad.

          Applying to much compound is also a problem.

          Applying too much pressure and slowing the poisher will cause a similar affect- let the machine do the work as much as possible.

          The pictures look that way to me, take a look or re watch the application video that Meguiars has for using the 100 or 110.

          Also try not to cover too large an area at one time.

          From my experience- it takes a little time, experience and learning curve.

          But you can get there from here

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          • #6
            Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

            722ish,

            I may not have understood your initial post (fully), but I'm a bit confused to begin with... is there any reason you started with #83?

            I think the general rule here, is first start with the least agressive method of correction in a small area, evaluate and then consider the course of action. So, I guess my question is why don't you try #80 in a small section, work it a few times and see the results. If you are unhappy with the results, than reconsider your course of action.
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            • #7
              Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

              Honestly, there is a Discount auto parts store about an hour away that carries some of the Mirror Glaze lineup. I picked up what was available, and started weaker and moved down.

              We tried the swirl remover, and it did less than the polish, but the polish gave the car less depth. We really never tried too much of the polish on the lexus, sorry i never specified. Only a small area was done with that polish. The rest of the car was done with the swirl remover. Honestly, I only selected the swirl remover as I had read about it over and over again.

              I also mistyped in my initial info, as i do not have the 2.0 pads, i was really tired and considering buying those, so I must have just added the 2.0 to the listing.

              Retrofinisher, the compounds would get hardly gummy and we would remove them. We were in somewhat of a hurry, so i do believe we did not let the polishes work enough if anything.

              Thanks for all the advice everyone!

              Is there any specific method i can try that is safe? I am not concerned with time or effort, so much as results!

              Thanks again
              11 wrx Sti sedan
              95 Toyota Supra

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              • #8
                Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                Originally posted by 722ish View Post
                the compounds would get hardly gummy and we would remove them.
                If you were working with #83 then remember to clean your pad on the fly often, this will prevent the product by gumming up. Another thing you can try is to change your pad for a clean new one from time to time.

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                • #9
                  Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                  That Lexus, with single stage paint, should be able to be corrected with #80 and a yellow pad. Then follow up with the wax of your choice. Or you could follow #80 up with the #9 that you have on hand, giving it a better finish, then wax.

                  Not quite sure why you're getting the hazing, maybe you didn't remove everything? As you said, you guys were in a hurry to get this completed. I say pick up some #80, and give it another go around. Do a test spot on the hood, and let it sit for a day or 2, then see what the results are.

                  Nick
                  2008 Meguiar's Batmobile Team
                  2008 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team
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                  • #10
                    Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                    Nick,

                    I assume you are talking about using a DA as opposed to a rotary, right? If so, what speed would you recommend?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                      Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
                      Nick,

                      I assume you are talking about using a DA as opposed to a rotary, right? If so, what speed would you recommend?


                      Yes DA. Speed 5 for #80, speed 3 for wax.
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                      2008 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team
                      2009 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team
                      2010 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team

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                      • #12
                        Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                        Thanks.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Beginner having trouble, even after days of reading!

                          what if moisture was a problem? could that make it turn white to? i am just asking, i have not work with a da before. with concrete if any moisture got in with the product (sealers or waxes) i'm using it turns white the next day. i was checking if this could be the same with polish or waxes.

                          i understand they are different but it kinda seem the same. if that was the problem?

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