Pledge and Dove

[CharlesW]

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Dove seems like it would probably be mild enough to not harm the leather, but would the lotion it contains be something you would want on your leather?
From the Dove website:
"It contains soothing ingredients and 1/4 moisturizing lotion"

[Totoland Mach]

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CharlesW: I wouldn't use Dove because of that, but I just use a mild dishwashing liquid like Dawn or Ajax liquid and dilute it 10:1

Totoland Mach

[the other pc]

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If you the read the instructions on the can Pledge does say you can use it for vinyl and leather. Is it a good idea? Well, it’s a fast idea anyway.

Remember, it’s made for janitors to clean multiple surfaces in office buildings, not for museum curators to preserve precious artifacts. The MSDS says it’s mostly water and hydrocarbon solvents so it’s no surprise that it cleans quickly.


PC.

[JG_Detailing]

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Well, I don't know about the Pledge part, but I clean at least 2 leather interiors per week (off-lease BMW's) and I use a mild soapy solution and a boar's hair brush to scrub the leather. It works well and doesn't leave a shiney finish on the leather.

For interior plastic and vinyl, I use Meguiar's Interior Quick Detailer (sorry if I got the name wrong...I'm not at the shop). It isn't greasy or shiney and leaves a nice "new" appearance to the door panels, etc.

BMW X-5 Interior after cleaning


Totoland Mach

Nice interior! The only thing I have to ask is about your dashboard. It's so dull looking. I like a shinny surface.

[Totoland Mach]

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Cobalt2006: The shop owner wants the BMW's to be in "as new" appearance, so we don't use anything that adds gloss to plastic, leather, or vinyl.

I use a little gloss on my own vehicles (Pathfinder and Mach 1) with NXT products, but that's a different scenario.

Totoland Mach

[Murr1525]

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Thats interesting.. I always considered 'like-new' to be a little shiny...

[Totoland Mach]

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boy, that's a subjective area: Little shiney to some might be way to shiney to others. I think the objective in our little corner of the world is new appearing, especially leather areas.

Anyhow, that's what the shop owner wants, and by golly, that's what I do! LOL

Toto

[Murr1525]

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Anything the boss wants...

[Bence]

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New, good quality automotive plastics have matte, somewhat porous surface for excellent tactile communication, overall haptics & natural optics. Anything that has a shine is undesirable. Low quality plastics can or may have a slightly oily appearance, but their use is limited to secondary surfaces, and they are mainly indicators of cost cutting.

Of course, having a certain gloss is a personal preference, but a greasy-looking interior surface is a somewhat subpar approach; I'd say crappy and embarrassing. For this kind of result, one can grab a piece of bacon (dressing & applicator in one!) and smear it around...

[pcunite]

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If I told you I use dove soap diluted in water to clean my leather seats, and pledge to coat all my vinyl surfaces, and the leather seats as well; you would say....?

I would like to see Shaun Carollo get a good answer on this. I have been using a product called leatherique on my 2000 model year leather seats. I realize they are spray painted but just curious to know what is the best for modern automobile leather seats. Leather is porous and needs oils right?

The product works great on my leather shoes but they are 100% calf skin.

[JRauCDM]

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If someone can tell me how to put another web sites link into a quick reply box, I have the straight scoop answer on this topic. There is a guy named Sandy over on the CadillacOwners.com site that has alot of info on this. He swears by this method, and has great detail about exactly how to do this correctly. Those who use it are very, very impressed.

I'm not super tech savvy, so explain this in layman's terms, please...

JRau in central Iowa

[Mike Phillips]

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If someone can tell me how to put another web sites link into a quick reply box, I have the straight scoop answer on this topic. There is a guy named Sandy over on the CadillacOwners.com site that has alot of info on this. He swears by this method, and has great detail about exactly how to do this correctly. Those who use it are very, very impressed.

I'm not super tech savvy, so explain this in layman's terms, please...

JRau in central Iowa

We actually don't want to know how to use Dove and Pledge on our cars on this forum, let everyone on the Cadilac forum go down that road if that's their choice.

[JRauCDM]

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We actually don't want to know how to use Dove and Pledge on our cars on this forum, let everyone on the Cadilac forum go down that road if that's their choice.

I can appreciate that. No problem. But it really got a huge thread started over there. There were a few professional detailers that strongly objected to his methods. I would be hesitant myself, but you do have to see his pristine white leather interior on his very rare 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special. And again, those that use his method are very very pleased with the results. Anyway, it will get the pot stirred!!!

JRau in central Iowa

[Mike Phillips]

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Anyway, it will get the pot stirred!!!

JRau in central Iowa

We have plenty of pot stirring already.


We don't have anything against people using whatever they want on their cars, but at the same time we don't want to look like we endorse these kitchen chemist methods of working on cars.

If we do this and just one person complains because they run into a problem, we get the blame. One of the biggest problems there is with this kind of thing is that there's are already too many variables involved that we have no control over, things like their skill level, application method, removal method, etc.

This is true for products specifically formulated for specific surfaces, all rules and control completely go out the window when you talk about using household products found under the sink of the average home on your car.

We had a person contact us one time complaining that ScratchX put scratches in the paint of their new truck, they happened to live fairly close to our corporate headquarters so we asked them to bring their truck by and show us, which they did.

Truck arrived, we inspected and sure enough there were what looked like scratches right in the middle/front of the hood. Thing about it was the scratching was pretty bad? Now the strange thing about this is that ScratchX doesn't scratch paint when properly applied and removed.

We asked him how he applied it and he told us with a shop rag; we asked if he had the rag with him and he said "yes" and he grabbed it from behind the seat in his truck. It was a red shop rag, the kind mechanics use to wipe grease and grunge of car parts, tools and their hands etc.

Not exactly the best type of applicator material to apply a scratch remover to a scratch-sensitive clear coat paint.

Get the idea? We have no control over how people use or misuse our products but because we trust our products we're willing to back them up even when if there's a problem it's possible it's not our fault. Our products work great, but their will always be factors outside of our control that will create issues to be dealt with.

Now start posting how to information on how-to perform certain processes with products found under the sink, or start to link to them and send people who trust you to these sites and it will, or it could appear as though we endorse this type of thing when we don't.

While everything here posted sounds like it's peachy-keen using these kitchen products on you car, here's the most important consideration and question...

If and when something goes wrong, who over there on this other site is going to pay to have the problem fixed for the guy or gal who reads the thread, follows their advice and runs into problems?

Whose going to be held accountable? Who's going to make good on the advice given?

Not us, we don't recommend using these kinds of products on your car and instead we offer products specifically formulated for automotive surfaces and as a company we'll back them up because before we brought them to market we did our research and got our ducks in a row.

Sometimes my job on this forum is provide how-to information and product recommendations and sometimes my job is to prevent how-to information and product recommendations.

We hope you all understand that it's nothing personal at all, it's just a bigger picture point of view.

Thank you.

[JRauCDM]

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Mike,

I absolutely do not take offense, man. I totally see your point of view, and yes, some poor sucker would hold you all accountable.

This is such a great site, and I appreciate how "clean" you all keep it.
The Cadillac site is fun, but it can get very raunchy at times--clearly going beyond PG material.

JRau in central Iowa