Pledge and Dove

[Shaun Carollo]

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I've never seen a destroyed interior with less than 10.000 pampered miles.

Especially with 4 years to clean it! Imagine how clean one of our cars would be if we only drove it 700 miles per year. Pretty similar, or maybe better cause we all use the best.

[Bence]

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...Have you seen Sandy's white interior on his '93 Sixty Special, though? WOW! Absolutely pristine...

I've never seen a destroyed interior with less than 10.000 pampered miles.

[ZoranC]

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Shiny dashes reflect into the windshield on sunny days, potentially obscuring the driver's vision.

Speaking from personal experience I can vouch that under appropriate conditions reflection can be downright blinding. Guys that detailed that vehicle meant along lines that shinier it looks customer will be more happy, but 15 minutes later I could barely see because of it and had to pull over on the spot and put something over the dashboard until it could be removed. Ever since then nothing like that touches my dashboard. It is my rule that even slightest distraction from driving at full concentration doesn't belong in my vehicle as it increases chance of things going wrong.

[JRauCDM]

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Yeah I actually was the guy over on cadillacforums.com that started trying to convince this guy that he was better off just using automotive products. Needless to say I lost that battle! Thanks for all the replies guy, I appreciate your input on the topic.

Yes, you did lose that battle... That was one heck of a thread, though. It got folks' minds engaged for sure! Have you seen Sandy's white interior on his '93 Sixty Special, though? WOW! Absolutely pristine....

JRau in central Iowa

[Scottwax]

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Nice interior! The only thing I have to ask is about your dashboard. It's so dull looking. I like a shinny surface.

Actually, that is intentional on BMW's part. Shiny dashes reflect into the windshield on sunny days, potentially obscuring the driver's vision. You can put all the shiny stuff you want on that dash and it will only make it slightly shinier and definitely blotchier. Meguiars Interior QD is perfect for it.

[Scottwax]

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I use Woolite (the laundry soap) and water to clean leather. I used to dillute it 6:1 but 10:1 works just as well. I got the idea from the leather care tag in a brand new Cadillac DTS back in the mid 90s and have used it ever since. Works just as well and leaves the leather even softer than any commercial leather cleaner I have used, and of course, there is a significant cost savings when you do as many cars as I do each year. In addition, Lexus now recommends in their owner's manual that a 5% wool safe detergent mixture should be used for leather cleaning (which would be a 20:1 dilution)-so this isn't some sort of experimental cleaner I dreamed up.

Cadillac now just recommends a mild soap and water to clean leather.

I do stick with traditional leather cleaners like Gold Class.

[Shaun Carollo]

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Yeah I actually was the guy over on cadillacforums.com that started trying to convince this guy that he was better off just using automotive products. Needless to say I lost that battle! Thanks for all the replies guy, I appreciate your input on the topic.

[gorin002]

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dove soap 2 dollars sound cheap to me
you pay double here
i would if i would use to clean wheels.
thats it
however since i i have super wash gell for under the shower
i think its good one to clean mi wheels

[jfelbab]

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You really like the smell of Dove in your car? Or Pledge? You like the lemon scent? I don't prefer the smell of face soap or lemons over the leather smell.

Pledge is way too slippery and shiny for my tastes. I hate a shiny dash. Too much reflection. I like the new look, that is no shine, on a dash. I also don't like to slide around on the seats so Pledge is not for me on the seats either. Let us know in a few years if your leather has started to crack. For now I'll use products designed for the task at hand. I also like to know the products I use have UV protection.

Q. Is Dove any cheaper than an automotive leather cleaner?
A. No it is not.

A 4 oz. bar of Dove costs around $2.00. So 16 oz. would cost $8.00.
A 16 oz. bottle of Gold Class leather cleaner costs $6.49.

Q. Is Pledge any cheaper than a dedicated automotive leather/vinyl protectant?
A. No it is not.

A 12.5 oz. can of Pledge sells for $5.59.
A 16 ounce bottle of Quik Interior Detailer costs $5.49.

So what is the logic here? Do you think these non-automotive products work better than dedicated automotive products? Guess I'd need some proof of that.

[pcunite]

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We hope you all understand that it's nothing personal at all, it's just a bigger picture point of view.

Excellent point...


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[JRauCDM]

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Mike,

I absolutely do not take offense, man. I totally see your point of view, and yes, some poor sucker would hold you all accountable.

This is such a great site, and I appreciate how "clean" you all keep it.
The Cadillac site is fun, but it can get very raunchy at times--clearly going beyond PG material.

JRau in central Iowa

[Mike Phillips]

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Anyway, it will get the pot stirred!!!

JRau in central Iowa

We have plenty of pot stirring already.


We don't have anything against people using whatever they want on their cars, but at the same time we don't want to look like we endorse these kitchen chemist methods of working on cars.

If we do this and just one person complains because they run into a problem, we get the blame. One of the biggest problems there is with this kind of thing is that there's are already too many variables involved that we have no control over, things like their skill level, application method, removal method, etc.

This is true for products specifically formulated for specific surfaces, all rules and control completely go out the window when you talk about using household products found under the sink of the average home on your car.

We had a person contact us one time complaining that ScratchX put scratches in the paint of their new truck, they happened to live fairly close to our corporate headquarters so we asked them to bring their truck by and show us, which they did.

Truck arrived, we inspected and sure enough there were what looked like scratches right in the middle/front of the hood. Thing about it was the scratching was pretty bad? Now the strange thing about this is that ScratchX doesn't scratch paint when properly applied and removed.

We asked him how he applied it and he told us with a shop rag; we asked if he had the rag with him and he said "yes" and he grabbed it from behind the seat in his truck. It was a red shop rag, the kind mechanics use to wipe grease and grunge of car parts, tools and their hands etc.

Not exactly the best type of applicator material to apply a scratch remover to a scratch-sensitive clear coat paint.

Get the idea? We have no control over how people use or misuse our products but because we trust our products we're willing to back them up even when if there's a problem it's possible it's not our fault. Our products work great, but their will always be factors outside of our control that will create issues to be dealt with.

Now start posting how to information on how-to perform certain processes with products found under the sink, or start to link to them and send people who trust you to these sites and it will, or it could appear as though we endorse this type of thing when we don't.

While everything here posted sounds like it's peachy-keen using these kitchen products on you car, here's the most important consideration and question...

If and when something goes wrong, who over there on this other site is going to pay to have the problem fixed for the guy or gal who reads the thread, follows their advice and runs into problems?

Whose going to be held accountable? Who's going to make good on the advice given?

Not us, we don't recommend using these kinds of products on your car and instead we offer products specifically formulated for automotive surfaces and as a company we'll back them up because before we brought them to market we did our research and got our ducks in a row.

Sometimes my job on this forum is provide how-to information and product recommendations and sometimes my job is to prevent how-to information and product recommendations.

We hope you all understand that it's nothing personal at all, it's just a bigger picture point of view.

Thank you.

[JRauCDM]

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We actually don't want to know how to use Dove and Pledge on our cars on this forum, let everyone on the Cadilac forum go down that road if that's their choice.

I can appreciate that. No problem. But it really got a huge thread started over there. There were a few professional detailers that strongly objected to his methods. I would be hesitant myself, but you do have to see his pristine white leather interior on his very rare 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special. And again, those that use his method are very very pleased with the results. Anyway, it will get the pot stirred!!!

JRau in central Iowa

[Mike Phillips]

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If someone can tell me how to put another web sites link into a quick reply box, I have the straight scoop answer on this topic. There is a guy named Sandy over on the CadillacOwners.com site that has alot of info on this. He swears by this method, and has great detail about exactly how to do this correctly. Those who use it are very, very impressed.

I'm not super tech savvy, so explain this in layman's terms, please...

JRau in central Iowa

We actually don't want to know how to use Dove and Pledge on our cars on this forum, let everyone on the Cadilac forum go down that road if that's their choice.

[JRauCDM]

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If someone can tell me how to put another web sites link into a quick reply box, I have the straight scoop answer on this topic. There is a guy named Sandy over on the CadillacOwners.com site that has alot of info on this. He swears by this method, and has great detail about exactly how to do this correctly. Those who use it are very, very impressed.

I'm not super tech savvy, so explain this in layman's terms, please...

JRau in central Iowa