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  • #16
    On the comments made by Zey, he could be right about switching to M82 with a W-9006 pad and going down the path of using a less aggressive product.

    M80 is a lot less aggressive product that the M83 and we don't hear of problems like you're experiencing. Since you have 4 years of rotary experience, the only other factors left would be pad choice or paint type.

    I realize you don't have the M82 and have a full gallon of M80 Speed Glaze, so we'll try to help you find a way to get great results using M80 Speed Glaze.

    Off hand, the only reason I can think of that anyone could be seeing the problems you're seeing with M80 is because the paint is very soft and mars or scratches very easily. If this is the case then the type of abrasive/formula you use will be crucial.


    Try wiping the hood clean to start with, (to insure it's clean, then do a test by polishing the entire hood out with M83. Follow this with doing either a half or quarter of the hood using M80 with a W-8006 pad and an adjacent panel using M80 with a W-9006 pad.

    Don't over use product, don't under use product, if you like pre-moisten each pad with some quick detailer. Don't buff to a dry buff.

    Be sure to clean each foam pad first using a nylon brush held against the face of the pad as the pad is spinning.

    After polishing with both products, wipe the entire area off using a clean soft microfiber and inspect in bright sunlight. If you like, first wipe the entire area down using a mixture of 50/50 water to Isopropyl alcohol.

    You will more than likely still see holograms or swirls, they should be very shallow however. Try to determine which side looks best.
    Mike Phillips
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    • #17
      Hi again!

      I'll read your posts a bit more thouroughly when I get home, right now I am surfing on an unprotected wireless link someone has in the vicinity of my garage

      Anyway, I uploaded this picture on my hood (btw, yes Mike, I get the same behaviour on any panel on my car)



      I firstly went over with M83 then taped off one section (the one on top) and then used M80, being really careful not to overuse the product and really let the abrasives to their work..

      /Marcus

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      • #18
        Can you take a picture of the light on the M83 side?

        p.s.

        I cropped out the fluff and the resized a little, and placed it into your gallery here,

        Mike Phillips
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        • #19
          What happens to the paint if you take your clean finger and rub it back and forth on the finish?

          I'm suspecting your paint is very, very soft, and for whatever reason, the M80 Speed Glaze is not compatible with it?

          Do you have any M66 or ColorX?
          Mike Phillips
          760-515-0444
          showcargarage@gmail.com

          "Find something you like and use it often"

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          • #20
            Regardless of the problems you're having with this product on your paint system, the answer to the question or title of your post is "No".

            M83 doesn't outperm M80 because they're two very different products for different applications. M83 is an aggressive cleaner/polish, M80 is a much less aggressive cleaner/polish, your question positions you as comparing these two products as they are the same and they are definitely not the same.

            So it's not a matter of whether one product outperforms the other, it's a matter of choosing the best product for the job.

            M83 is a lot more aggressive than M80, if M83 is leaving a better looking finish than a less aggressive product, then this is indeed a quirky problem and one that we really don't ever see.

            As I said before, my guess is going to be your paint is very soft because that's the only way a product like M80 Speed Glaze would leave a finish looking like that.

            Also, what kind of light are you using to reveal the swirls?
            Mike Phillips
            760-515-0444
            showcargarage@gmail.com

            "Find something you like and use it often"

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            • #21
              You say you do have a dual action polisher like a Cyclo?

              What exactly is the tool, what kind of pads do you have for it?

              Have you tried re-polishing these areas using this tool?
              Mike Phillips
              760-515-0444
              showcargarage@gmail.com

              "Find something you like and use it often"

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              • #22
                Hey, I've only been away for like 30 minutes and already I've got like 5 replies :-)


                Anyway, this is what I have found out after a lot of experimenting...

                I can get a very nice surface with the M80 if I use almost no pressure at all with the W9006 pad! (And when I say almost no pressure, I mean it! I have to lift the machine up from the paint, the machine weight around 3 kg's, 6 pounds?)

                Regarding the softness of the paint: I've heard from several sources the BMW paints usually are very hard. I've noticed that myself when I try to remove the lighter scratches also...

                You say you do have a dual action polisher like a Cyclo?
                This is the machine that I am using... The pads are 106m.m. pads which are kind of the W8006 in softness...

                Anyway, enough of the cold, I'm getting back into the garage to continue experimenting! (As I said, I am surfing someone elses link and I'm sitting outside in the cold typing this, fingers going numb )

                /Marcus

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Marcus
                  Regarding the softness of the paint: I've heard from several sources the BMW paints usually are very hard. I've noticed that myself when I try to remove the lighter scratches also...


                  /Marcus
                  Sometime you can't always go by what you hear or read on a discussion forum.

                  I used to read a so-called experts posts on CorvetteForum all the time where he would post how soft the paint is on newer Corvettes, from all the Corvettes I've worked on, and that's a lot), I would say he has no clue as to what he's talking about. I find factory clear coats on Corvettes to be as hard as glass and they react very well to M83 and M80.

                  If M80 isn't working on your paint types, then we'll need to find a product that does in order to see you through to success.

                  Is there any way you can get your hands on either a quart of M82 or a 16 ounce bottle of M09 Swirl Remover 2.0, or even M66 Quik Detailer, or ColorX?

                  Any of the above products are very gentle to the finish and if used with one of our polishing or finishing pads should help remove the swirls on soft paint, again assuming your paint is soft.

                  To be honest, I don't think M80 could do what you're seeing to a hard paint.
                  Mike Phillips
                  760-515-0444
                  showcargarage@gmail.com

                  "Find something you like and use it often"

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                  • #24
                    Ok, so a quick reflection on the stuff I tried today...

                    It seeeems like I've got the hang of it now. I increased the speed with the W8006 and I got results! I guess it was the same thing when I tried the W9006, since I tried not to use any pressure the speed automatically increased..

                    So, what I believe was the problem was that I was running at a too low speed, is that a possible solution? I did my whole hood now and I couldn't see any of the earlier problems I had.

                    I really believe that the paint is hard. I couldn't induce any fine scratches by rubbing my finger against it and I can promise you! I had to use a lot of pressure to get even small scratches out with the M83...

                    It is going to be interesting to see what happens with the next panel I start on... If M80 still performs as it did when I ended today then I think I've found my problem.. Otherwise I would have to start experimenting with other products again... (I'm doing one panel per night so far, I have until march to finish my car so I really want the results to be great... I've got all the time in the world!)

                    Thanks for all the help I've got so far!

                    /Marcus

                    P.S
                    Right now I am instead having problems with NXT Tech Wax, the polymers refuse to setup properly (according to the swipe test). I've left it on the paint for now and will remove it tomorrow night instead, it should have set up properly by then

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Marcus
                      Ok, so a quick reflection on the stuff I tried today...

                      It seeeems like I've got the hang of it now. I increased the speed with the W8006 and I got results! I guess it was the same thing when I tried the W9006, since I tried not to use any pressure the speed automatically increased..

                      So, what I believe was the problem was that I was running at a too low speed, is that a possible solution? I did my whole hood now and I couldn't see any of the earlier problems I had.

                      This sounds like the problem, what speed are you using the rotary right now?
                      Mike Phillips
                      760-515-0444
                      showcargarage@gmail.com

                      "Find something you like and use it often"

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