Swirls, Deep crystal system, Questions.

[AJSP]

Hi again everybody. I've got a question or 2 to ask.

Im not sure if the Canadian Labels, And American Labels are the same or not. But it this the " Pure Polish " Its step " 2 " in the 3 deep crystal system.





The step 1 is the cleaner that " Removes bonded contaminants, SWIRLS, scratchs and Oxidation. What I am Interested about is the swirls. Can this be done by hand with the Step 1 Product, as well as Scratchs X would do? I will post another picture, This picture is a test spot for my up comming Detail. Will step 1 work just as well as scratchs X, and if so is there a benefit in using is over the Scratch X?
Im not sure if that makes sense to anybody, But Im sure yall will get what Im trying to say/ask


Here's the picture using Scratch X




As you can tell, You will see where I started and stopped, And this is only after a few seconds of rubbing it in.

Thanks for any help.

[Mike Phillips]

Hi AJSP,

Read this article here,

What it Means to Remove a Scratch

If you want to remove swirls like in the picture you have included, then you should stick with ScratchX as it contains a microscopic diminishing abrasive plus chemical cleaners that will enable to you to remove a little paint and as a result, remove the swirls.

The Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner is a chemical cleaner only paint cleaner and is not as effective at removing paint for this reason.

[AJSP]

Thanks Mike

So the picture of the Polish is not the " pure Polish ". Thanks you

However, It is good though right? I mean its Meguiars right

[Chris Nemlich]

The picture you gave of the #2 in the 3-step system is a pure polish. It has no abrasives, only polishing oils. ScratchX is an abrasive,the good kind. It removes a very thin layer of clear coat using diminishing abrasives to remove swirls and scratches, as you showed in your test spot. The abrasives break down, leaving a perfectly smooth and flawless finish with (hopefully) no swirls. The paint cleaner (#1) in the DC 3-step system is a chemical paint cleaner, not an abrasive paint cleaner. It will remove dirt, but not scratches.

Hope this helps.

[AJSP]

Thanks thats what I thought.

Thanks

Maybe they should change the labeling on the back of the bottle under step 1 maybe? Not that it matter's to me, just saying

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by AJSP
Thanks Mike

So the picture of the Polish is not the " pure Polish ". Thanks you

The picture you included is a non-abrasive pure polish. You also asked about Step 1 Paint Cleaner so I answered that actually and didn't touch on the polish question. (Sorry)

Originally posted by AJSP
Can this be done by hand with the Step 1 Product, as well as ScratchX would do?

However, It is good though right? I mean its Meguiar's right

It is very good.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Chris Nemlich
ScratchX is an abrasive, it removes a very thin layer of clear coat to remove swirls and scratches, as you showed in your test spot.

Technically, ScratchX is non-abrasive, it uses diminishing abrasives that break down as they are worked against the finish thus it will remove scratches without instilling them if applied correctly.

Typically only the enemy or the uninformed refers to products like ScratchX as abrasive either for their own nefarious reasons or because they simply don't understand. Our job it to correct misinformation so that everyone is on the same page.

The paint cleaner (#1) in the DC 3-step system is a chemical paint cleaner, not an abrasive paint cleaner. It will remove dirt, but not scratches.

Hope this helps.

The Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner is a chemical cleaner only, but you have to remember that when applying products there are three factors involved,

• 1. Product or Chemical
  2. Application Material
  3. Application Process

Another factor is the hardness or softness of the surface being worked.

You have to take into consideration all of these factors plus skill level and experience before making a definitive statement that such and such won't do this or will do this.

In most cases, Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner applied to a hard paint using a clean, soft foam applicator pad by a newbie won't remove the swirls.

The same product applied using a microfiber or cotton applicator to give the product a little more bite, applied with just the right amount of force with skill on a paint that's not diamond hard can remove swirls, or in essence, remove a little paint.

For most people, for most paints, the best option to actually remove swirls by hand is to use ScratchX because it does contain diminishing abrasives and it is more effective on any type of paint at actually removing small particles of paint which is how you level the surface and remove scratches and swirls.

Words mean things... just ask any lawyer...



Hope this helps...

[Chris Nemlich]

Above post has been edited.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Chris Nemlich
Mike- Not trying to argue here or anything, but if ScratchX removes swirls using diminishing abrasives then it is an abrasive.

Agreed. The key here is when describing this product to people is to include the fact that the abrasives contained in this product are microscopic and that they diminish as you use them.

It is non-abrasive in that it doesn't instill scratches into the finish. This is key to the effectiveness of this product and important to point out because when you or somebody calls a product abrasive, it paints the wrong picture in their mind. If you feel some ScratchX between your fingers, you will discover it feels like a fine skin lotion, not a gritty product.

All I'm trying to do is help you to understand that words mean things and we don't want people to think ScratchX is going to actually leave scratches in their paint as a part of the defect removal process.

[Chris Nemlich]

Mike, completely understood.

Sorry if I made ScratchX sound like a bad product. I actually love the stuff and use it on just about every car I detail.

[AJSP]

Didn't mean to start a slug fest here But if ya like, Boxing gloves to each of you, Last one standing is the right guy. I say 3 rounds 15 minutes a piece?

So Im assuming anyways Its the right polish to make the new paint look damn sexy, and make the flakes in the paint sparkle like a diamond

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by AJSP
So Im assuming anyways Its the right polish to make the new paint look damn sexy, and make the flakes in the paint sparkle like a diamond

Yes.

Apply using thin coats, work in well, remove before it dries. Move on to a new section. Apply wax afterwards.

[Murr1525]

The polish and a good wax will both bring out the color of your paint and the sparkle.

You said you hadnt worked in the ScratchX too much either? Working that in more can possibly remove even a few more defects, since the polish and wax wont do that.

[Tim Lingor]

Originally posted by AJSP
Didn't mean to start a slug fest here But if ya like, Boxing gloves to each of you, Last one standing is the right guy. I say 3 rounds 15 minutes a piece?

Not to worry! The Referee is bigger than either of them!!


Tim

[AJSP]

Would still be a good couple rounds though


Since Im applying it By hand Mike, Would you use 1 or 2 thin coats of Polish? The paint is about a year old and is still beautiful, except filled with the swirls which you seen.

No the scratch X wasen't worked in long, Just a kick test spot to see the effects. As it was outside in the sun and extremely hot.


I will post picture's when I get to do everything on this next detail, Its been raining for 2 days now.