Is this crazy?

[RPPM]

Re: Is this crazy?

Top Gear, I will give you credit for your conviction.

[BillyJack]

Re: Is this crazy?

This is an open discussion forum, where we're free to share our opinions and experiences. Mine happen to not be identical to yours.
So be it.

Bill

[RPPM]

Re: Is this crazy?

And for the record, I side with Bill!

[Len_A]

Re: Is this crazy?

Uh, no, RPPM/Guz, nothing was debunked. Points were misunderstood, though, as it seems they are again. The facts of what are in Meg's products are not under dispute, and certainly not by me. The reality of keeping a daily driver properly protected in areas where we actually have weather, though, that's another story. There is essentially no difference in longevity between Meg's waxes and sealants when put to such tests, and that is what Stoops has said to me. Once again, no protection from a wax or sealant could last more than a month or so, perhaps even more like a week, when dealing with rain, road grime, cleaning, etc, and NOT being regularly boosted.

Maybe in SoCal or other areas of the SW, where it's very dry, never rains, and the car isn't driven except to shows, maybe then there is some seeming difference, but even then, I've seen no evidence whatsoever to support it. If you're waiting for your sealant to wear out because you erroneously think it will last six months, you're just wrong. Claims like that are the only false information I see spread by some on this site.

Since it is the case that no Meguiar's protection can be 100% effective for more than a week or maybe a month given wide swings of weather and washing, it doesn't matter what protection is used. The war between wax and sealant is pointless in terms of Meguiar's products, because of the true and valid points I have made. What is important is that your choice of protection is very regularly boosted. Topping is not boosting. Mixing product on the pad might yield some placebo effect that works for you.

Not true. I've had M20 and M21 easily last six months, with doing nothing other than washing twice a month with either Gold Class Shampoo, or better yet, M62. On my parents cars, which I detail once a year, when they were physically up to washing the cars themselves, M20 lasted three and a half to four and a half months, with my parents bad car wash habits. When they got too old, and start going to the commercial car washes, even with their alkaline car wash soap, they were still beading water after two and a half months.

And with a certain nameless boutique sealant, that starts with the letter Z, I've had nine months easily.

Your posts remind of a former neighbor of mine, who religiously used the Turtle Wax manufactured retail packaged Zymol, every other month, even in Detroit winters. When I ribbed him a little about waxing every other month, he said "What do you know? I never see you detail your cars." I told him I don't use anything that doesn't last, and pointed to my then 1996 green metallic Ford Taurus. When he repeated that he never sees me detail it, I told (and this was in August) that I did detail it - in April. We walked over to it, and I sprayed real good with the garden hose. His jaw dropped when he saw it still beading water, and then he stormed off. Best thing about it was he didn't speak to me again for almost a year. His wife later told me that it was about time that someone showed him up. And picked up a half a dozen neighbors as regular customers, and their cars still bead water a heck of a lot longer than a month or two.