Advise please (Paint Correction)

[Hernandez.Art13]

Alright this is what I know. Clear Coats on certain parts of the car could have been painted in different locations that the vehicle itself did. So this is why the paint might be so hard, especially on parts like this (the spoiler of my car)

Well I took it to TNOG and Mike, Christopher and I all attempted to correct the paint. I would say out of us 3 Christopher got the best correction. He also got smoke coming out out, luckily the paint did not get burned (true story) lol

So now I do know how to correct the paint on my spoiler, on the other hand I am try to find a safe approach on doing this. Without burning my paint.

We are talking about some really hard paint here. Hardest I've yet worked with.

So my questions are, what do I do? I don't want to make smoke come out of my Rupes. However that has seemed to be the only solution.

I have debated about wet sanding them out and just buffing them out.

I know how to use and have a Rotary, PC and Rupes 21 with the 5" backing plate. I use to wet sand for a living btw, but they were repaints not OEM.

So advise would be helpful

Thanks,
Art

Side Note: Mike was kind enough to show me on the machine that I would be using.







^ I forgot what combo was used here? Feedback please





^ I guess I'm a funny guy lol

Edit: my apologies for misspell

[The Guz]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

Did the method that Michael is working with on that photo do anything? It looks like he is using a microfiber pad. A microfiber pad may be what you need. There is also the new xtra cut microfiber pad. I'm not usre of what compound you are using but you could try M105 or M101 on a microfiber pad.

Throwing some ideas out.

[Christopher.Brown]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

Well. first off that spoiler was EXTREMELY hard because Art forgot to mention that he quickly opti coated it because he had corrected the entire vehicle and then quickly put it on the spoiler to match, i think he was tired and was trying to end his long day of correction and IPA wiping. So of course this made it that more difficult to get to the paint. Therefore, a good deal of abrasion was necessary to reach the paint surface in the first place.

Look at Bob in the pic above with the, "Man i dont want ANY part of that!" look on his face as Michael was buffing a section after i had finished one....

Yes i did, indeed, get some steam... not smoke lol.. however when the spoiler was felt it was not unusually heated.. i even had Michael feel it to verify that i wasnt burning a hole to china with friction

Combo used: My Rupes 21, dmc5, and worked with M100... they key was the arm speed and the backing plate rotation speed..... remember how SLOOOOOOOWWW i was moving?

In this case some deep and prolonged abrasion was needed to break the hard resin barrier of the opti-coat and reach the paint level so the defects could be accessed.
If all else fails, bring it back to TNOG....... i can remove em

A Quick Note to Remember: Spoilers, and often times other various accent pieces, including side view mirrors, door handles and even bumpers, have a different substrate composition than the majority of the vehicle. In this case the spoiler is plastic and most other panels of the vehicle were metal.


Quite often these pieces are painted elsewhere than the factory. And, in the case of bumpers, they have a flex agent mixed in with the paint to battle cracking that occurs when accidental bumping happens in real life situations. Therefore, these pieces will appear to have a different color than the majority of the metal panels on the vehicle.


Please keep this in mind when the response to the correction being used on the rest of the vehicle isn't the same. The plastic substrate and varying paint composition of these areas can change many dynamics of the corrective process. So don't become frustrated and instantly move to a much more AGGRESSIVE. Instead, stop for a second and think about the variables involved and proceed as you would an initial test spot. Test, think, then correct.

[Hernandez.Art13]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

Did the method that Michael is working with on that photo do anything? It looks like he is using a microfiber pad. A microfiber pad may be what you need. There is also the new xtra cut microfiber pad. I'm not usre of what compound you are using but you could try M105 or M101 on a microfiber pad.

Throwing some ideas out.

Mike did go very aggressive. (had to the paint was that hard) He used the xtra cut disc and some M100. I went as aggressive as I could when I tried correcting the paint on my own, but didn't even remove a light swirl.

I actually used Lake Country Hybrid Wool pad and 3M Heavy Duty Rubbing compound and wasn't able to correct anything. (was the most aggressive I had available at the time)

haha and yes the car was opti coated

Also, I thought my car looked pretty good. Even in the sun it looked good, street lights, gas station lights. You could find a swirl here or there, but man don't take your car in the Meguiar's Garage. Their lights show EVERYTHING! lol

After taking my car inside the garage, I went to home depot and bought a light after lol. Until Christopher finishes his next article.

[Hernandez.Art13]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

Well for now my only options seem to be wet sand and buff it out with my rotary or have Christopher create steam to remove them at TNOG lol.

I did talk to Kevin Brown over the phone and he mentioned his new article about using M205.

In all seriousness, I think I am going to have to go extreme (pad, compound) and shrink my work area dramatically. maybe 6"X6"?

Thing is I've never worked on paint this hard before and I don't want to reach the point of no return. If anything did happen I could take it to my uncles shop and have it repainted, but I won't go that route. That's why I came on here asking to get as much information as possible before I proceed.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

Art, just bring it back to the next TNOG and we'll get it finished off for you.

[Hernandez.Art13]

Re: Advise please (Paint Correction)

I'm off to class right now, but will check out the TNOG schedule and sign up. I guess my other option was take it back to TNOG. So will be doing that.

I forgot Meguiar's buys food for TNOG too, so won't have to eat twice again. Although, the southern style food that I bought was delicious. Great mac N cheese too.