Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

[Elvin]

Hey guys,

I am planning to start my spring detailing and I am going to use GCLW for the first time. Since GCLW is a polish/wax is it pointless to use UP before applying the wax? Will GCLW remove any polishing oils left behind? My car is black and I am looking for deepest black shine possible.

Thanks.

[Top Gear]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

That is a great combination, which I use. No, to all your questions, then. Remember, wax is only there functionally to protect your prep work, but we also choose it to give a "cast" to the paint. So, start with Ultimate Polish and then finish with Gold Class as normal. You'll be amazed.

[Elvin]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

Thanks for the reply. I am looking forward to using this combo.

[C8N]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

From my understanding, many of Meg's waxes are categorized as polish wax.
However, the amount of cleaning agent in them is so minute, they really have no cleaning ability.
Hence, it will certainly not be overkill at all.

[greg0303]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

I've used that combo several times, it works well.

Dark colors become even darker after UP/GCCP or UW treatment:
http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ea-Blue-BMW-X3

[Elvin]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

UP+ULW is what I did last spring and really liked it. Looking forward to giving UP+GCLW a try. I heard that carnauba waxes are harder to apply and remove than the synthetic ones. Was that the case for you?

[The Guz]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

With a meguiar's carnauba, as long as you apply it thin it will be a breeze to be removed. For example I use M26 and that comes off rather nicely after I apply it thin. Just as easy as removing ULW, NXT or M21.

[dwg51357]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

I use UP followed by Ultimate Paste all the time. I also us GCLW occassionally. As the owner of a black car, I'll pass on a couple of observations on wax: On my jet-black Saab, Ultimate (paste or liquid) gives a bright, glossy finish that is very durable. Carnuba gives a deep, almost wet looking, finish that isn't as durable. When I'm feeling blessed with time, or need and excuse to drink gin and tonics in the garage all weekend, I'll do a coat of Ultimate Paste, let it cure a day, then a coat of carnuba. It turns out gorgeous. Another thing I've learned is that with a black car, using a machine (I use a Porter-Cable) produces MUCH better results.

[Shawn T.]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

I prefer ULW opposed to GC but that's simply for durability purposes.

I have used over 2 dozen waxes and sealants but have not been able to actually tell which one left which kind of shine. Sure, GC and ULW will darken the paint quite a but but I'm not sure I can tell which one makes the paint shine in a certain way.

[Elvin]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

I finally tried the GCLW for the first time today. It was 50 degrees outside and I clayed the hood first and applied what I thought was a thin coat. I also applied a coat on the roof without claying. I let it sit for a while and did a swipe test and decided that it is time to remove the wax. And this is where it all went wrong. I could not remove the wax, it left marks all over the hood and the roof. I called the customer service and they told me to either spray some QD on it and buff off or apply a little bit of wax and rub it in and then buff off. I tried both methods and unfortunately they didn't work. Called them again and this time a different person answered and told me that it is probably too cold for wax to dry properly. He said the temperature should be minimum 55 degrees. He suggested to wash the car with a dishwasher detergent to strip all the wax off. I am a little bit weary of using a detergent but I might have no choice. What do you guys think?

[Jarhead0754]

Use the dish soap. It's safe for the car but the reason they don't use it every wash is just that cuz it would strip all the old wax off. Once it gets warmer it will warm the wax up enuf to then remove it. Wax doesn't last forever thus is y we have to apply it several times a year. But the quickest way is dish soap.

[Aussieboy]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

Clay bar + QD should also remove it but yeah, dont get hung up about dishwashing liquid, with warm water. You also mentioned waxing the roof without clay barring it first. Dont rush this, be methodical with each step. Make sure that clear coat is pristine before you wax it. If it is that cold you should think about spray on wax and leave the canuba until it's warmer mate. Cheers from Aussie!

[Top Gear]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

No offense intended, Elvin, but you were "doing it wrong", as the saying goes. It sounds like you did no prep work before applying wax to the roof, and applied the wax by hand way too thick. I've been there. This is not the fault of Gold Class wax. The secret of effective paint detailing is the prep work, not the wax. All of us here had to learn this in similar situations - I sure did

When you get ready again, keep these distinct steps in mind:

1. Wash/clean the paint surface (can be with MF/QD, per panel).
2. Clay the surface with QD.
3. Compound (optional), repeat as needed, preferably by machine.
4. Polish the surface, repeat as needed, preferably by machine.
5. Wax the surface with a very thin coat, preferably by machine.
6. Wait between 10-30 minutes and promptly remove with MF.
7. Buff lightly as a final touchup with MF or chamois.
8. Behold

[Elvin]

Re: Ult. Polish + GC carnauba plus liquid wax is this an over kill?

Thanks for the replies guys. As Jarhead mentioned the next morning I was able to remove the leftover wax after the sun warmed up the body panels. I was losing the sunlight that is why I skipped claying the roof but I see your point. I will wait till it gets around 60 degrees and try again