Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

[LaFawnduh]

So after going through a thorough, multi-hour, 5-step detail process a mere 2 weeks ago to remove all imperfections in my car's paint, I took my car to the dealer for an oil change and the wash guy there must have had a dirty sponge or towel - imparted swirls over several sections (mainly C and D pillars and along bottoms of the doors)! I know not pertinent to the question - just venting.

As I don't really have 6 more hours to dedicate anytime soon to fully correcting this was hoping for some advice on a few short-cuts I'm hoping to try:

1.) Assuming these are as superficial as they seem, after claying the areas, is starting with Swirl-X with a yellow polishing pad on 4/5 speed applied with DA too aggresive or just strong enough to hide until next full-detail?
2.) Would the Black Wax AIO have enough "cut" to correct / hide these without the Swirl-X? Or does this sound like something more aggressive must be used?
3.) In the event that, after I do a test spot and am satisfied with Swirl-X results, if applying Black Wax on whole car (including over the corrected areas where I used Swirl-X) in effect, "undo" the what I just tried to correct / hide with the first Swirl-X step?

I'm sure most would ask why I want to follow with the AIO.. it's mainly because I think the crappy soap they used at the dealer stripped off my nice carnuba top step - so I plan on adding another layer on top of premium carnuba wax again. I am just trying to minimize the total time I am going to need to spend reversing the damage.

Looking forward to any help / insight as so many are knowledgeable here.

[Murr1525]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

1.) Assuming these are as superficial as they seem, after claying the areas, is starting with Swirl-X with a yellow polishing pad on 4/5 speed applied with DA too aggresive or just strong enough to hide until next full-detail?

If you clayed already, probably not needed again for a while. Unless things feel rough after cleaning.

I'd be looking at fix or ignore it... more of a waste just hiding it.

You would want to do a test spot with SwirlX, and possibly one with UC, and see how it goes for fixing. Cant really say what is needed without trying things.

2.) Would the Black Wax AIO have enough "cut" to correct / hide these without the Swirl-X? Or does this sound like something more aggressive must be used?

Possibly, although the White Wax is more the defect removal choice AIO.

As noted, cant really say what is needed exactly.

3.) In the event that, after I do a test spot and am satisfied with Swirl-X results, if applying Black Wax on whole car (including over the corrected areas where I used Swirl-X) in effect, "undo" the what I just tried to correct / hide with the first Swirl-X step?

No, not undoing anything. SwirlX wont likely hide much.

The steps would look like:

Mild/Medium Cleaner
Mild Cleaner
Polish
Wax

so nothing out of order.

I'm sure most would ask why I want to follow with the AIO.. it's mainly because I think the crappy soap they used at the dealer stripped off my nice carnuba top step - so I plan on adding another layer on top of premium carnuba wax again. I am just trying to minimize the total time I am going to need to spend reversing the damage.

Might not be gone, but just residue left maybe. Hard to say.

[The Guz]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

First of all sorry to hear that the dealer ruined all of your hard work. It's not the first time I heard stories like this about dealer. On other forums it is recommended to place signs on the windows saying do not wash car. That way you avoid the DISO (dealier installed swirl option).

1.) Assuming these are as superficial as they seem, after claying the areas, is starting with Swirl-X with a yellow polishing pad on 4/5 speed applied with DA too aggresive or just strong enough to hide until next full-detail?

It's hard to say how sever the swirls are without seeing a photo. Do you have M205 or Ultimate polish on hand? M205 would be my recommendation as it's very versatile and it's correcting abilities are pad dependent. Meaning it's correcting ability can increase or decrease based on the pad you are using.

2.) Would the Black Wax AIO have enough "cut" to correct / hide these without the Swirl-X? Or does this sound like something more aggressive must be used?

I agree with Murr. White wax may be the better choice as it has more cleaning abilities.

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3.) In the event that, after I do a test spot and am satisfied with Swirl-X results, if applying Black Wax on whole car (including over the corrected areas where I used Swirl-X) in effect, "undo" the what I just tried to correct / hide with the first Swirl-X step?
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Probably not.

I'm sure most would ask why I want to follow with the AIO.. it's mainly because I think the crappy soap they used at the dealer stripped off my nice carnuba top step - so I plan on adding another layer on top of premium carnuba wax again. I am just trying to minimize the total time I am going to need to spend reversing the damage.

Looking forward to any help / insight as so many are knowledgeable here.

I would go white wax on a polishing pad and let it haze, remove and you are done as both black and white wax are carnauba based. You could top it off with a synthetic NXT 2.0, M21 or Ultimate Wax for longer lasting protection.

[LaFawnduh]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

Thanks, Gents.

HAHA - never heard of the DISO before, going to steal that one. It cost me blood, sweat and tears. On hand, from my first go-round detailing, I have:
- Ultimate Compound
- Scratch-X
- Swirl-X
- Ultimate Polish
- Cleaner Wax

From there, it is to my waxes... Black Wax AIO, Gold Class and the Pinnacle Souveran. I usually do a once-a-year full detail but like to throw on the Black Wax AIO every 3-4 months for maintenance. Was hoping to just do a slight correction and put a little early Black back on... Was hoping someone might have had some experience using both at one job but it sounds like it will go back to a bit of testing. OR pick up some White Wax as the quick-fix until I bite the bullet and start over.

[Murr1525]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

The quickest thing is probably UC the bad spots then Black Wax everything....

[davey g-force]

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If you're looking for the quickest method, that's probably it..

[billddrummer]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

So am I understanding that Swirl X doesn't remove swirls?

[The Guz]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

Swirlx can be used to remove swirls.

[billddrummer]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

Swirlx can be used to remove swirls.

All right, thanks.

Here's my plan:

Touchless Wash.

A 6" DA orbiter with a MF polishing cloth to apply the Swirl X--will check its impact by pulling the car into the sun occasionally.

After Swirl X, clay with QD and least aggressive clay, then polish and Ultimate Carnuaba Wax.

Thoughts?

[The Guz]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

All right, thanks.

Here's my plan:

Touchless Wash.

A 6" DA orbiter with a MF polishing cloth to apply the Swirl X--will check its impact by pulling the car into the sun occasionally.

After Swirl X, clay with QD and least aggressive clay, then polish and Ultimate Carnuaba Wax.

Thoughts?

Claying is always the first step after a good wash. Then you can move onto swirlx(which is a cleaner polish) and your favorite wax/sealant.

[LaFawnduh]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

"DISO" has been successfully removed... Swirl-X with yellow pad, Black Wax with Yellow Pad, topped with carnuba top for pop.

[C8N]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

A 6" DA orbiter with a MF polishing cloth to apply the Swirl X--will check its impact by pulling the car into the sun occasionally.

Question, what 6" orbiter will you be using?
Because if you are using what we call a wax spreader, it may not do a thing for the swirls.
Should be using something like the G110 or at least the DA power system for swirls and scratches.

[C8N]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

I'm sure most would ask why I want to follow with the AIO.. it's mainly because I think the crappy soap they used at the dealer stripped off my nice carnuba top step - so I plan on adding another layer on top of premium carnuba wax again.

Hard to say but since your process would be to clay and polish with SwirlX, this will remove any prior wax anyway.

[billddrummer]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

Question, what 6" orbiter will you be using?
Because if you are using what we call a wax spreader, it may not do a thing for the swirls.
Should be using something like the G110 or at least the DA power system for swirls and scratches.

That's an excellent question.

I only have one vehicle and a limited budget for tools, so the G110 isn't an option.

I frankly was looking at the AutoZone polisher ($30), but after researching, figured it would ultimately be a waste of money, and the wrong tool even for removing small swirl marks.

I would appreciate some guidance. Many years ago, I was able to purchase one of Meguiar's DA polishers, which gave amazing results on a metallic black 1982 RX7 I owned in 1987. (That vehicle was the last car I owned which was more than just transportation.)

Thanks.

bdd

[billddrummer]

Re: Question About Using Swirl-X and Black Wax together

Update:

Went with the cheap AutoZone 6" buffer (Wells Stanton, made in China). $30. Included 2 MF bonnets, 1 terry bonnet.

Touchless wash today (won't be doing the auto wash thing ever again!), clayed, used MF bonnet with SwirlX, medium pressure.

It looked like it handled virtually all the swirl marks.

Followed with Ultimate Carnuaba Wax, one light coat. Applied wax by hand because I prefer applying wax that way.

Polished with MF cloth.

Now, I'd love to upload some photos, but can't figure out how to convert iPhone pics into a compatible format.

Help!