Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

[davey g-force]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

1 : Why is there paint coming off on the applicator when using # 26 if it contains no abrasives ??..

Agree with above, it is probably the MF applicator. Try a foam one.

And 2 : If i apply Meguiars Ultimate wax first, then followed by #26 Meguiars Hi - tech yellow wax , will the #26 actually be removing the coat of ultimate wax . Thanks.

Maybe to some extent; that's why the whole concept of "layering" waxes is controversial. But if you allow enough time for the UW to cure (12+ hours) the amount that is removed should be minimal. Did you let the UW cure?

[eagleguy]

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First let me say I love Meguiar's products and I have used both UW and 26 here in Florida. However, I see no difference between the two longevity or appearance wise on both dark and light vehicles that I own. No matter what product I use 2-3 months is the max before a recoat is needed. The only difference is that UW is 2x the price of 26 high tech wax.

[drumdan]

I work at a car wash during the day. We had a cusomer bring a car in whose vehicle beaded so well, that I had to ask what he used. He told me Ultimate Wax. It's been a year, and it's still beading - except where we have rocker brushes, which is about 28" high.

It's a really durable sealant. I've personally had 26 give me some good durability too, but not as well as the UW.

[waterbeads]

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my issueis very different..in this part of the world where unluckily i live we have a alot of moisture(going up to 86% in summers) and dust(sand). so when the moisture mixes with the dust it sticks to the body. unfortunately the only option is to washing the car on daily basis and washing on daily basis is not recommended and not possible for me either....so i leave the car to get all dirty the whole week and then on weekends do the cleaning. i use UPW and #26 yellow wax but i cant tell its durability because of the weather condition here. though #26 having some carnabu in it feel is really smooth....and it does give a deep look...UPW is all tht shinny and glossy

[Michael Stoops]

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Ultimate Wax paste and M26 are very, very different animals. M26 is a premium carnauba blend and what we consider a "pure" wax, meaning it contains no polish and no cleaners - it's simply a wax protection. Ultimate Paste, on the other hand, is a 100% synthetic man made polymer product that doesn't actually contain any wax. It does, however, contain a bit of polish which is what helps it darken paint and give a wetter look than some other polymers that lack the polish and can make paint look almost like it's wrapped in plastic wrap.

Since UW is a synthetic polymer, it should last quite a bit longer than M26 or other carnaubas. This is down to the fact that polymer protectants (AKA sealants) actually cross link and bond in such a way that their layer is harder to break down and therefor more durable than carnauba products that basically create just a film of protection on the surface. From an appearance standpoint, it's really a very personal choice as to which one looks better, or if an individual can even see a visual difference between them. This can be a very subtle appearance difference and, just like with discerning the auditory differences between high end audio products, or the finer points of wine tasting, not everyone sees (or hears or tastes) things quite the same way. If you can see a difference and have a preference, then it's fairly easy to say which wax is your favorite. If you can't, on the other hand, then selection should be based on what's easiest for you to use, and what lasts longest and/or protects the best.

As for M26 showing some color transfer when applied to single stage paint and UW not exhibiting this, it could be down to the solvents necessary in a carnauba wax that make carnauba usable in the first place. Neither of these waxes contain any cleaners but you can get some level of cleaning out of the applicator used. We would expect to see at least some level of paint transfer using almost any wax, however, simply due to the soft nature of single stage lacquer paints. In the case of M26 (or any other carnauba wax for that matter) the solvents used in them to carry the carnauba to the surface may actually slightly enhance this color transfer but it's really nothing to worry about. Honestly, we're a bit surprised that you saw zero transfer even when using UW simply due to the physical contact of the applicator to the paint. Heck, we'd expect to see some color transfer using M07 Show Car Glaze on single stage paints, again simply due to the nature of the paint (M07 is a pure polish with zero abrasives).

[imz4n]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

IMHO Ultimate wax is the bomb for long lasting protection. IMHO, putting a coat of #26 on top is over kill. I assume you would be looking for more gloss by doing this. Based on those thoughts, I would say do a more detailed job of prep work. What ever your process is, the last step before waxing or the step before #7, knock the speed down and perhaps use a softer pad and less pressure ( refining the condition of the paint ) Is going to give you a sharper reflection. You need to think, how do I make the process less aggressive to obtain that finer look. More than you ever asked Bob

[Stephan]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

IMHO Ultimate wax is the bomb for long lasting protection. IMHO, putting a coat of #26 on top is over kill. I assume you would be looking for more gloss by doing this. ... More than you ever asked Bob

The layering concept is that the #26 (carnauba) enhances depth and darkness on dark (e.g. black) vehicles.

[Stephan]

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NOTE: Above is after a smooth clay, #7 and #26, NO NXT 2.0 or UW.

[imz4n]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

Looks Great

[hacker-pschorr]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

Hmm.. more stuff to try.

I'm still using M16 followed by NXT 2.0

Since for some odd reason I bought 8 tins of M16 off eBay a few years ago.....

[Stephan]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

Hmm.. more stuff to try.

I'm still using M16 followed by NXT 2.0

Since for some odd reason I bought 8 tins of M16 off eBay a few years ago.....

I'm not sure of the differences between #16 (newer) and #26 (old).

From everything I've read on here, you need to put the NXT (synthetic sealant) on first as it bonds to the paint, then follow by the carnauba which kinda lays on the surface (in this case the NXT). The carnauba where last a fraction of the time of NXT but should add the visual benefits of the carnauba. Then you can always GC QD and/or top with carnauba while the next stays bonded.

I got some 2.0 and will be using it next full detail and then top with the carnauba.

[hacker-pschorr]

Re: Yellow wax vs Ultimate Wax?

I'll have to find the thread (probably from 2009) that led me down the path I've been following. I vaguely remember doing M16 first and NXT after since it will give a bitter shine? No idea.....

I tried both ways (on black cars) and honestly couldn't tell the difference.

[davey g-force]

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Yeah, the commonly accepted way is to go sealant (NXT) first, then carnauba (M16).

But hey... whatever works.

[drumdan]

That's just for my personal vehicle. I apply the paste 26 more out of habit and personal satisfaction. I like the ~idea~ of first locking the sealant on, then applying 26 for subsequent therapy sessions. After Ultimate Polish, with a 5.5 blue hex pad on my pc at speed 4, the paint looks fantastic

[LS1BERLINA]

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Wow, that black Honda looks great! #26 paste is still my favourite 'aesthetic' wax