Old Show car glaze...Help??

[Blazebro]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Each to there own, but I disagree with what you've said, in part.

Clay in it's own right might be abrasive, but that's why you use a lubricant. Yes there are different grades of clay and some even will guarantee to leave marring even with a lubricant. However clay wasn't ever designed to remove lsp, it was designed to remove bonded particles, which I feel has as much to do with it's stickyness as it's abrasiveness.

As for removing over spray, ever tried it? Can't say I've found it to remove much if any.

I speak from my own experience and I don't know of a pro who relies on a clay to remove an lsp prior to adding a new coat.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

However clay wasn't ever designed to remove lsp, it was designed to remove bonded particles, which I feel has as much to do with it's stickyness as it's abrasiveness.

Very true, and it is still the fastest and easiest way to remove above surface bonded contaminants. But just because it wasn't designed to remove LSP doesn't mean that, at least to some degree, it won't.

As for removing over spray, ever tried it? Can't say I've found it to remove much if any.

Actually, we've had fantastic success with overspray removal on numerous occasions. We've had plenty of people bring cars to our Thursday Night Open Garage sessions following a trip to a body shop that did less than stellar work, including leaving plenty of overspray all over the place. And each time we've removed that overspray with clay. To be honest, in almost all cases we had to step up to either the blue or red pro clay, but it was nonetheless clay that removed the overspray, and fairly easily.

I speak from my own experience and I don't know of a pro who relies on a clay to remove an lsp prior to adding a new coat.

Again, we won't disagree with this. But in the case of this particular thread where the OP is loathe to wash his show car (which, in truth, would quickly and effectively remove his M07 Show Car Glaze), claying is a viable option. Would it necessarily be our first choice (washing already out of the equation, as it is)? No. We'd go over the finish with a light paint cleaner and call it done. But the topic arose as to whether or not clay would have any impact whatsoever, so we're addressing that specific point.

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Each to there own, but I disagree with what you've said, in part.

Clay in it's own right might be abrasive, but that's why you use a lubricant. Yes there are different grades of clay and some even will guarantee to leave marring even with a lubricant. However clay wasn't ever designed to remove lsp, it was designed to remove bonded particles, which I feel has as much to do with it's stickyness as it's abrasiveness.

As for removing over spray, ever tried it? Can't say I've found it to remove much if any.

I speak from my own experience and I don't know of a pro who relies on a clay to remove an lsp prior to adding a new coat.

You are thinking to simplistic. Firstly, why would you argue about meguiars products with a megs rep? Secondly, I have always used clay to remove overspray, either from paint or glass. Thirdly, the "stickiness" of the clay is due to its properties.. clay can come in different fineness, just like modelling/pottery clay.. it is basically how coarse the sand particles are. If a clay is sticky wouldn't you think that the wax would "stick" to the clay as well? The lubricant is used to make claying more efficient and lessen marring of the paint.

Your thinking of "clay being used to remove contaminants and not lsp, therefore it does not remove lsp" is flawed. there are tons of products that are made for specific things, but versatile and in advertantly does other things as well. Shoe laces are made to tie up shoes... but can be used as a dog leash if you really wanted to.