Old Show car glaze...Help??

[Hudsondelobo]

Finished the car show season... HAd a thick coat of MO6 show car glaze over top of M26 to get that deep beautiful Meguiars shine... now Ive got this film of old glaze over top.... how can I remove this safely?
Thanks

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

i would say either paint cleaner or clay bar. or both...

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

i would say either paint cleaner or clay bar. or both...

+2 Try the clay first. Then follow up with a paint cleaner.

[wifpd4]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

I don't know this and therefore the reason I ask:

Would an IPA wipe down remove the glaze and/or the M26? The M06 doesn't provide any sort of protection, does it?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

We believe you mean M07 Show Car Glaze, right? M06 is our Professional Cleaner Wax.

An IPA wipe down should do the trick, though. Mix some isopropyl alcohol 50/50 with water, spray and wipe. But since M07 doesn't stick around very long on it's own, there shouldn't be much of it left on the surface at this point anyway.

[Blazebro]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Clay won't remove old waxes and (in this case) glazes. It removes sharp bonded contaminates. It may remove some wax/glaze that's ready to fall off but wax/glaze that's properly sealed the paint work, it won't.

IPA wipedown will shift it, or to put it another way I'd be very surprised if it dosen't. 1ltr shouldn't cost more than a couple of dollars so would be my first choice as it's the cheapest. Start by diluting at 50% and work up from there. Use de-ionised water, the stuff you can buy from an autoparts store for radiators etc.

If it dosen't try a cleanser like Megs own deep crystal cleanser. I use Autoglym HD Cleanser or another of note is Victoria Wax Deep Cleanse.

HTH.

[BillyJack]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Is there something you're noticing on your car that makes you thing you have problem with excess buildup of M07? The unique oils of M07 are water-soluble, so they're usually gone after the first washing. The El Camino in my avatar is old single-stage lacquer, and it gets M07 and M26 applied repeatedly thru the cruise season. I've never noticed any ill effects fom multiple applications. During the winter off-season, I'll just give it a cleaning with a mild clay, aggressively work more M07 into the paint, chase any mild defects with M80, seal it with NXT, then top it with M26 or a similar LSP. I've never done any wipedowns with any solvents since I've never felt the need. IMO, multiple applications of M07 in the past few years have made the paint look better than it ever has.

Bill

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Clay won't remove old waxes and (in this case) glazes. It removes sharp bonded contaminates. It may remove some wax/glaze that's ready to fall off but wax/glaze that's properly sealed the paint work, it won't.

IPA wipedown will shift it, or to put it another way I'd be very surprised if it dosen't. 1ltr shouldn't cost more than a couple of dollars so would be my first choice as it's the cheapest. Start by diluting at 50% and work up from there. Use de-ionised water, the stuff you can buy from an autoparts store for radiators etc.

If it dosen't try a cleanser like Megs own deep crystal cleanser. I use Autoglym HD Cleanser or another of note is Victoria Wax Deep Cleanse.

HTH.

last i checked, clay does remove wax, and everything that is on the clear coat.

[Hudsondelobo]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Ill try clay baring it thanks for the help.... None of my show cars ever get washed btw... so that wouldnt work.. But thanks for the effort

[Blazebro]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

last i checked, clay does remove wax, and everything that is on the clear coat.

You sure about that?

Clay works by contaminates digging into the clay and the clay pulling them away. Wax creates a smooth surface, couple that the lubricant used and you will find that it will almost cirtainly not remove wax/sealent/glaze.

If you argue that it does, then it's the same as anything that comes into contact with the surface, such as a sponge or mitt when washing (which in away is true as that's how most swirls are created).

[jfelbab]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

M07 can easily be cleaned off by just using a cleaner/wax. It'll come right off with little effort. I wonder why it is showing hazing though.

M07 is a pretty nifty product and I apply it on top of my LSP when showing my 1991 SS red MR2. It never leaves anything hazy behind for me although I typically QD my MR2 after a show prior to covering the car and putting it back in storage.

Another interesting tidbit with 07 is that if you have any difficulty in removing it, just re-apply some more product with a clean applicator and it will re-liquify. This makes removal easier if you inadvertently apply too much product.

As for claying, I'm of the opinion that clay compromises any wax or sealant but will not remove 100% of the LSP. Clay is hydroplaning over the surface on a film of lubricant hence it is not in contact with all the coating all the time. To strip a car of a LSP I'd suggest a better approach would be to either use a solvent like Body Solvent or Dupont Prepsol for example, or a dedicated paint cleaner or polish.

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

You sure about that?

Clay works by contaminates digging into the clay and the clay pulling them away. Wax creates a smooth surface, couple that the lubricant used and you will find that it will almost cirtainly not remove wax/sealent/glaze.

If you argue that it does, then it's the same as anything that comes into contact with the surface, such as a sponge or mitt when washing (which in away is true as that's how most swirls are created).

you can't compare clay with a sponge or wash mit.. It is like comparing scotch tape with a terry towel. Can a wash mitt pick up embedded dirt from the clear coat? no. Can clay pick up embedded dirt and other contaminants from the clear coat and even overspray? yes.... i think that should answer and end this argument. I am sure everyone here will support my argument, whether they want to get scientific or not.

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

M07 can easily be cleaned off by just using a cleaner/wax. It'll come right off with little effort. I wonder why it is showing hazing though.

M07 is a pretty nifty product and I apply it on top of my LSP when showing my 1991 SS red MR2. It never leaves anything hazy behind for me although I typically QD my MR2 after a show prior to covering the car and putting it back in storage.

Another interesting tidbit with 07 is that if you have any difficulty in removing it, just re-apply some more product with a clean applicator and it will re-liquify. This makes removal easier if you inadvertently apply too much product.

As for claying, I'm of the opinion that clay compromises any wax or sealant but will not remove 100% of the LSP. Clay is hydroplaning over the surface on a film of lubricant hence it is not in contact with all the coating all the time. To strip a car of a LSP I'd suggest a better approach would be to either use a solvent like Body Solvent or Dupont Prepsol for example, or a dedicated paint cleaner or polish.

100% of the wax probably isn't removed, but it is drastically/substantially compromised... The squeaky clean sound after claying should tell most people something about whether there is wax or lsp left.

[Spidey]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

100% of the wax probably isn't removed, but it is drastically/substantially compromised... The squeaky clean sound after claying should tell most people something about whether there is wax or lsp left.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31966&page=3

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Old Show car glaze...Help??

Clay works by contaminates digging into the clay and the clay pulling them away.

Not quite. Clay is actually mildly abrasive and it's the abrasive action that slowly removes the bonded surface contaminants. With varying degrees of abrasiveness available (our consumer clay being our least aggressive, then the C2000 blue mild and finally the C2100 red aggressive) you can not only get through heavy contaminants faster, but also run the very real risk of hazing the paint if you choose a very aggressive clay.

This same abrasiveness, even in the mild consumer clay, will remove wax or other products on the surface. Now, if you just applied a fresh coat of a polymer sealant a couple of days ago then a single clay treatment probably won't remove all of it, but it will certainly take off a good portion of it. That's why we always recommend waxing after claying - unless of course you're going to use a paint cleaner between the claying and waxing.

With the original topic of this post being M07 Show Car Glaze, a product that would never be classified as "durable", claying will likely remove whatever small amount of product remains on the surface. What very little may remain after that can surely be removed with a quick IPA wipedown.