NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

[AeroCleanse]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Al,

I find NXT Tech Wax 2.0 to have less durability that I can get from other products. For a paint sealant, I am now using Ultima Paint Guard Plus (which I wish Meg's would make a similar type product). I have had UPGP on a clients car for only a month so far, and its a daily driver and has excellent durability so far.

I also wonder if NXT 2.0 would last longer if it was applied in multi-coats rather than just one layer.

[itself]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Al,

Some very good points about durability. I live in AZ, and as I am in sales, my car does not see much shade during the day. This is why I chose to go with a sealant this time ( I started the thread with wax but meant sealant).

However, that being said, my CRV will get sealed at least every 3 months. I feel that anything longer for my car is too long.

I recently did a friend a favor and did her car for her. She had a bonehead here in AZ detail her car, I was disgusted when it was done. Wax in the creases, and it did not look good.

In I came with DCP, #7 Glaze, and Gold Class liquid polish. The paint just came alive. I did her car again 3 months later, and again, the paint seemed to take on a new life. Her honda is six years old, and other than paint chips, it looks like it just rolled out of the showroom.

I don't know what the physics or science behind seeing "paint take on new life" is, but I think you all know what I mean by this. The silver pearl came back to life. It was just amazing.

Regardless of claims of durability, I stick with a 3 month routine for my car!

Lisa

[akimel]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

That all I got as well. I expect paint sealants to last at least 6months, maybe longer.

I do not wish to be contentious, Andy, but I have read enough detailing forums over the past year to know that there are many synthetic sealants that do not consistently last 6+ months, at least according to anecdotal testimonies. IMO, one should not generalize from "synthetic sealant" to __ months durability. It is more helpful, I believe, to speak about specific products and how they appear to perform under a variety of conditions.

A wax should last 4months in normal use, longer if its not driven much. NXT Tech Wax 2.0 isn't a wax though, its a paint sealant.

"A wax should last 4 months in normal use"? Which waxes are you talking about? A general claim of four months durability for a carnauba-hybrid wax certainly contradicts consensual opinion and is not supported by my limited experience. I would think that 4-8 weeks durability would be more accurate, at least for the overwhelming majority of waxes.

Really? Because I can get 6 months out of Swissvax.

Really? As I recall, you only started using Saphir about six or seven months ago. In any case, most folks seem to get two to four months longevity from Swissvax waxes (see, e.g., Dave KG's report on BoS and Gleammachine's report on Saphir). I certainly do not deny that a Swissvax wax might last longer under the right conditions--and evidently you are experiencing the right conditions--but I do wonder whether six months durability is typical for most Swissvax users, especially for daily drivers. I do not dispute your experience, Andy, but is your experience truly representative?

I am increasingly persuaded that durability claims are almost as subjective and unreliable as appearance claims. How does the layman measure the durability of a protectant? I suppose that most of us appeal to the presence or non-presence of beading, but how reliable an indicator is beading, especially if one is regularly using a quick detailer like UQD? But more importantly, consider the multitude of factors that can impact the durability of a protectant. How was the wax applied and under what conditions? How often is the car driven? What kind of weather is the car driven in? What kinds of pollution and contaminants is the car exposed to? Is it garaged or does it sit outside all the time? How often is the car washed and quick-detailed and with what methods and products? I do not know how one would begin to objectively, reliably, and accurately compare and adjudicate protectant durability claims.

And how how important is wax/sealant durability anyway? Dom Colbeck's analysis seems spot-on to me:

The reason waxes have a limited life once applied is that UV light, contaminants, rain, friction - even drag from the air - start to break down the surface. It is why your shed needs restaining every year and why white gloss yellows over time. Once the smooth surface is a little eroded it will pick up dirt more readily and after 2-3 months it is likely to have enough contamination to warrant removal and reapplication.

If you clay your car, you'll know what embedded contaminants are ... so there's no point leaving wax on a car for 6 months as it will have dirt embedded into it that a maintenance wash can't remove. It would be like leaving your undies on for as long as possible, just to avoid chucking them in the washing machine! That's why I find all this talk about 6 months durability for LSPs a bit daft - the car won't be clayed in this time and if 'topped up' with a wax layer after a month or two, the new layer will be going over some of these contaminants.

I can understand wax durability being a concern during the winter months, and I can understand why individuals who do not wax their cars more than two or three times a year would prefer a protectant that lasts six months over a protectant that only last two months. Professional detailers especially have to be concerned about these kinds of selling points. But I can say this: I'm not going to wait six months to wax my two cars. Even the wife's CR-V, which is currently protected by Ultima Paint Guard Plus, gets sealed every six to eight weeks, whether it needs it or not. And as for Luthien, well, I can't imagine not waxing her every month or so, no matter what wax I am using.

Cheers,
Al

[PuDeN]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

You can say that again

[the_invisible]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Not to mention the NXT 2.0 smells like mouthwatering chemical...

M21 only smells like regular chemical.

[Tuck91]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

I was just reading abut the M21, sound similar to NXT gen 2.0 as it also is a sealant. I might have to give that a whirl sometime...

Lisa

Theie is not much of a difference when it comes to M21 2.0 and NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0

M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 can be applied with a rotary and is available in a 64oz jug, and NXT 2.0 is not.

[itself]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

I was just reading abut the M21, sound similar to NXT gen 2.0 as it also is a sealant. I might have to give that a whirl sometime...

Lisa

[Markus Kleis]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Really? Because I can get 6 months out of Swissvax.

To be clear, I have read about a person here, or a person there claiming about one wax or another, but never had a single wax gotten consistent results of 6 months.

Heck, one of my clients still had notable beading on her 350z after nearly 9 months and a single coat of M21 2.0- but it was her second car (not her DD) and only washed a few times in that period, so I don't count that as the norm.

[AeroCleanse]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

I recall reading a heck of a lot on other forums about expensive, high-end waxes, but I can't recall a single product consistently achieving those results. Not one.

Really? Because I can get 6 months out of Swissvax.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Well I guess different folks have different expectations!

I personally wouldn't WANT to go more than a few months between thoroughly cleaning and waxing my vehicle, so having a wax that lasts 6 months would be worthless to me.

As for the 6 month waxes- I recall reading a heck of a lot on other forums about expensive, high-end waxes, but I can't recall a single product consistently achieving those results. Not one.

[SVT Lightning]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Well, then the next question is, how long should a wax last?

Lisa

Lot's of variables involved here....whether the car is garaged, is it a DD or a show car, how often it is washed, constant sun exposure or not, color of paint. 2.0 seems to last longer on my wifes silver Suby than on my black truck. Both sit outside 24-7.

[J. A. Michaels]

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I am glad it worked so well for you.

Have to say it:

[AeroCleanse]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Well, then the next question is, how long should a wax last?

Lisa

A wax should last 4months in normal use, longer if its not driven much. NXT Tech Wax 2.0 isn't a wax though, its a paint sealant.

[AeroCleanse]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

How long did it last for you?

I get 3 months give or take every time, personally.

That all I got as well. I expect paint sealants to last at least 6months, maybe longer.

[itself]

Re: NXT Generation 2.0 Liquid Wax Rocks!!

Well, then the next question is, how long should a wax last?

Lisa