105 question

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

I also had your problem and tried all the recommended fixes (prime pad, smaller work area, water spray, more product, less product, faster speed, slower speed, wipe off with spray bottle, etc...) with little success in getting M105 to behave like many seem to describe.

From the descriptions, I expected M105 to behave like M205. M205 stays lubricated, does not dry out, produces no dust regardless how long it is worked, and it's easy to wipe off.

M105 is VERY different - it "drys" quickly and produces a moderate amount of dust.

Here's what I found works for M105:

1. I do not prime the pad
2. I spray a tiny amount of water on the pad (I check the pad after each section to insure it does not feel completely dry. Spray tiny bit more water as needed)
3. I apply polish to the pad. Spread on surface of paint before turning on polisher.
4. Turn on polisher
5. Within seconds of beginning to polish, the M105 appears to dry out. If you stop here, the wipe off is very difficult.
6. Don't stop - continue polishing.
7. The M105 will begin to dust and almost appear to breakdown like a diminishing polish. You can work as long as you like.
8. There will be very little visible M105 left on the paint and wipe off is very easy.

Followed up by M205 it produces very nice results.

Jeff U, you are a genius! This morning, I tried this method on an area of my 'finished' hood, which I was very happy with, and as you said, the 105 worked great for as long as I wanted, and wiped off as easy as 205. And the test area was leveled (orange peel like surface) to a nice degree since I was able to work it so much better, longer and see what I was doing. The reflections were much clearer and brighter, more detailed than the previously finished work. And that is without 205! I worked about 6-8 passes with moderate pressure and finished up with 4-5 very light weight passes, just the DA weight, even lifted a bit at times. So, now I will be going over the hood again with this method.

You have really made my day and I cannot thank you enough!

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

Thanks to Murr1525 & Mike Pennington for helping me learn how to upload and post images. This is my first attempt. It is a scanned image of a pad (8006). I am wondering if it is worn out or OK. I am only a few days into my first DA. There is a depression in it, about the size of my thumbnail. This pad has been used very very heavily over the last two days with M105, but the hood is done! (105 wise, anyways) (I am working on getting a camera soon)

[TerryAdams]

Re: 105 question

The picture you posted of the polishing pad looks like it has "caked/dried" polish embedded in it. Do you clean your pad(s) during the detailing of the car? Do a look up on the MOL website for "cleaning on the fly". Mr. Phillips and others have posted how-to's on this subject. This could be another reason why 105 isn't working it's "best" for you. Old 105 was a problem child for me and the new version is a blessing (less cut, but works better).

[Tim Lingor]

Re: 105 question

The picture you posted of the polishing pad looks like it has "caked/dried" polish embedded in it. Do you clean your pad(s) during the detailing of the car? Do a look up on the MOL website for "cleaning on the fly". Mr. Phillips and others have posted how-to's on this subject. This could be another reason why 105 isn't working it's "best" for you. Old 105 was a problem child for me and the new version is a blessing (less cut, but works better).

I agree with Terry!

Let's see if I can clear this up a little for you.

With the new SMAT abrasives found in the M105, you have to really clean your pad often. If you do not clean the pad often, the non-diminishing abrasives will end up sitting on your pad, effectively decreasing the cut from the pad and the effectiveness of the product. Therefore, you need to clean your pad VERY often. I like to clean my pad after every panel. Then about have way through around the car, I switch to a new pad as it is just too caked with product. That is why many of us always suggest having several pads. The pad in your photo is definitely caked and needs to be cleaned.

Tim

[Jeff U]

Re: 105 question

Jeff U, ... You have really made my day and I cannot thank you enough!

Glad to have helped.

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

The picture you posted of the polishing pad looks like it has "caked/dried" polish embedded in it. Do you clean your pad(s) during the detailing of the car? Do a look up on the MOL website for "cleaning on the fly". Mr. Phillips and others have posted how-to's on this subject. This could be another reason why 105 isn't working it's "best" for you. Old 105 was a problem child for me and the new version is a blessing (less cut, but works better).

What I have been doing is cleaning it on the fly. I have used a brush and also my finger nails as Mike described. Both methods make the white dust fly. This was done between each application of 105 to the pad. A few times, I cleaned it on the fly with a towel too but it was never cleaned in any other way and I do not know how to clean it further.

As for extra pads, I have six used/dirty ones now in marked bags. Except for the 105 one, in the pic, they look nearly like new. The main difference that I am aware of is that I did not use the towel much on the 105 bad one, and did use a towel exclusively on the others. Just finger nails or a brush with 105. Live and learn, lol.

Used:

ScratchX 2.0 (8006)
UC (8006)
DC2 (9207)
105 (8006)
205 (8006)
NXT 2.0 (9006)

New-on hand:

(1) 8006
(1) 9006

I was planning to use the new 9006 tomorrow with 205 and that would leave me one new 8006 on hand. OK, how could I best clean this bad 105 pad, 8006? The various ways I read about confuse me. It could be drying while I use 205, DC2 & NXT on the hood to finish it tomorrow. Sorry to be such a pain and I am very grateful for the help.

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

I finally found the thread on pad cleaning in the 'How To Articles'.

But I found something else in an old 205 thread that I would appreciate an answer to. Back when 205 was pre-release, Murr asked about its oils and whether or not they would be comparable to a pure polish. Mike told him that it was a trade thing and that he could not say what was in it (205). I can understand that but I am left with the question of whether or not it would be beneficial to use DC2 after 205 on my old neglected paint. Mike stated that 205 was the 'finish', so I would think that 205 has the needed oils for an old paint like mine, and DC2 would be a waste? My hood was the worst part of the car and has taken a lot of work. It is far from perfect but I want to get it as good as I can. Thanks.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 105 question

Mike stated that 205 was the 'finish', so I would think that 205 has the needed oils for an old paint like mine, and DC2 would be a waste?

M205 is a light cleaner/polish, so yes it has some type of polishing ingredients, whether these are oils like you find in the M07 Show Car Glaze or the Deep Crystal Polish I don't know but suffice to say, after using the M205 you can go straight to wax.

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

OK, many thanks, Mike. Right on time too. I just finished up with 205 on a finishing pad and it looks great. I will go out and do a couple coats of NXT now. Thanks again. BTW, I ordered a camera last night, lol!

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I taped off a test area on the hood and went over it with Deep Crystal Polish/DA and, like Mike says, I could not see any difference. M205 RULES!

[Markus Kleis]

Re: 105 question

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I taped off a test area on the hood and went over it with Deep Crystal Polish/DA and, like Mike says, I could not see any difference. M205 RULES!

Yes, yes it does!

I couldn't get over how deep, wet, and flawless the paint looked on my own Red Focus when I first tried M205. I love this stuff!

[Justin A]

Re: 105 question

Followed up by M205 it produces very nice results.

GOOD GOD MAN!

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

The camera just arrived and this is this first picture with it. It was too large and had to be cut way down. I am learning though (just like detailing, lol).

The hood finished with M105/M205/DA is messed up by the shade and sun spots (hazy) but it looks pretty good compared to before. Eight year old paint that was never even washed. The top & trunk are also finished-will post later when I get a handle on the cam. My first detail job! Thanks to all the guys that helped me get through all the stupid stuff I got into, lol.

1991 Dodge Spirit hood:

[Jeff U]

Re: 105 question

Looks pretty good for an 18 year old Dodge !

[cozmo]

Re: 105 question

Thanks, Jeff. Yeah, I wish I could have gotten some 'before' pics but I did not have a camera then. There was no reflection and it was cloudy and oxidized very bad. Thanks also for showing me how to use the M105 with your method. It is great! I was getting nowhere until you showed me that technique. And, I have really learned a lot since the hood saga. The top and trunk are done now as well and your method was practiced and experimented with, and got even easier as I learned more and got more experience.

When the cut stopped, when working on a scratch or something, I just sprayed a dab of water on the pad and VIOLA! the cut came right back and the scratch vanished right before my eyes. Awesome!

Water also was used with the finish M205 (very little). It works great. With both products, there was nearly nothing to wipe off after buffing with your method!

I painted that grill because it had turned mostly gray from oxidation. The star was really fun to tape off, lol!