Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

[SEAYUH2]

I have read much and the more I read the more I find my methods may have been in error or is everyone else in error....hmmm.

In the 60's I learned to dry with a towel and remove wax with a towel.
In the late 70's it was a leather chamois for drying and towel for wax.
In the late 80's early 90's it was a synthetic chamois and towel until microfiber was introduced for removing wax/polish.
Presently I have unlearned all of this which boils down to drying and removing any wax/polish with nothing but a USA made 100% cotton towel, emphasizing 100% cotton. To even go further this towel must be completely white due to chemical contaminant transfer to the paint surface.

This may not be the venue but not matter what I use I still have the ugly residue and swirl/scratches. Even my newly purchased black beauty.

OK, I realize that chemistry of paints have changed not to mention the clear-coats. So what is the deal.

[Murr1525]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

Touching the paint with anything has a chance of causing swirls.... All you can do is try to use the safest methods and tools possible.

Of course drying and product removal are not the only times swirls can be caused.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

Moved out of Hot Topics and into Detailing 101

The forum groups in the Information Station are not open to new threads, you can reply to an existing thread, but please don't start a thread in any of these forum groups.

Thank you!

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

OK, I realize that chemistry of paints have changed not to mention the clear-coats. So what is the deal.

Try this thread,

My Hatred of Clear Coats

Welcome to clear coat paints...

[SEAYUH2]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

I read I read and read only to learn that todays auto paints require more pampering and care that consume much of your time to maintain that original shine. I older I get the more convinced we are just being taken advantage of.

I have a 1985 300TD black wagon and to this day still can produce a deep lasting shine without swirls and scratches.
I also recently purchased a used 2004 CLK 320 that has small swirl and spider marks I seem to be having much difficulty removing.
I have used the 5-step-paint-care-cycle for years only introducing newer products as they came available. I am now convinced that it's just a cycle of exchanging dollars for results not so good and play the blame game on something else.

1. I titled Towels/Chamois/Microfiber for a reason. Chamois or the Absorber and especially the Water Blade are flat and could trap a piece of dirt and scratch the paint finish. Towels have nap and are much safer and forgiving. Even if it were to pickup a piece of dirt, the nap would cushion it. I personally have used a synthetic chamois and microfiber towels for a long time believing they'd have a lessor chance of damaging the paint and now don't know what to believe. Maybe what we did in the 60's was correct and everything else is error.

2. I doubt my paint protection products are doing what they first claimed. For example: my third paint protection step is using MEG-Synthetic Sealant. Seemed to work great at first, but now not so good.

SO, does anyone make one product that does it all without having to buy several products to get a result that only one product use to get with single-stage paints. And hey what about Zaino.?

PS, HAPPY NEW YEAR

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

2. I doubt my paint protection products are doing what they first claimed. For example: my third paint protection step is using MEG-Synthetic Sealant. Seemed to work great at first, but now not so good.

There's only so much any wax or paint sealant can do.

Clear coat paints scratch easily. Not our fault. If you drag something across the paint that will scratch it then a coat of wax or a paint sealant isn't going to prevent the scratch from taking place.

Also think about this,

Any corrosive substance strong enough to actually etch your car's paint, that is when the substance for example a bird dropping, lands on the paint and is not removed, the acid in the dropping will actually start to attack and etch or eat into the actual clear layer of paint.

Now follow me... any substance that is corrosive enough, that is it is strong enough to eat into your car's clear coat paint, then it's strong enough to eat through any wax or paint sealant that you pour out of a bottle or scoop out of a can.


If you're not happy with any Meguiar's product then simply take it and your receipt back to the store where you purchased it and take advantage our our 100% Satisfaction Guarantee. If you encounter any problems returning the product back to the store then call our Customer Care Hotline and they will be glad to help you out. 1-800-347-5700

Besides that,

"Find something you like and use it often"

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

One more comment, if you read what this guy wrote in this thread,

My Hatred of Clear Coats


You can tell he's frustrated with working on clear coat paints as compared to the older single stage paints on the cars he grew up with. He made 2 posts and we never seen him again.

It's always interesting to read the comments by people on our forum that have almost always worked on clear coat paints and then they get a chance to work on a classic Mustang, or Camaro or some other 1960's or 1970's car with the original single stage paint as their comments are usually along the same line and what these people post is that they really enjoyed working on a single stage paint.

The benefit to clear coat paints is they will last longer. Sometimes people confuse this to mean they will look good longer but that's not always the case. You can have a swirled out clear coat that doesn't look good but it will still last a long time.

For what it's worth, Meguiar's is bringing out some brand new paint care products for removing swirls and scratches that makes it easier and faster with better results.

[SEAYUH2]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

If you're not happy with any Meguiar's product then simply take it and your receipt back to the store where you purchased it and take advantage our our 100% Satisfaction Guarantee.

Mike, come on, personally for me money isn't the issue, corporately money is always the bottom line. I wouldn't waste my time taking back something that didn't work, I just throw it away and try something else. If you read what I said previously you would have gathered my loyalty to Meguiars. HECK i was trained by a meg-rep. That is not the issue.
I have several (meguiars) products in my arsenal and some 3M.

A straight answer cannot be obtained because there isn't one product that will or do what it claims. Maybe just two or three days at best in this environment.

Today loyalty means nothing anymore, I am just another spoke in the wheel with another there to take its place. It's about numbers right?

Look the bottom line here is I am not angry or faulting anyone. I have just fell for the same card trick to many times.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Towels/Chamois/Microfiber

Mike, come on, personally for me money isn't the issue,

Lots of times when I post a solution it's simply the correct protocol no matter who the person posting the question may be.