Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

I think I started in about July. I was using a FLEX 3401 for a while before that, so the switch wasn't a big deal.

I know that I am new to the tool...but I think my learning curve was substantially reduced because of the information and experiences I was able to learn from online, coupled with a fairly steady stream of details available to me. I fully appreciate that reading is only good for some much, but it also does help to reduce the time needed to learn how to do things. At least for me.

I know I have a lot to learn, but I also feel very confident with a rotary. I don't think twice about going to the rotary because I am proficient enough that I haven't had a single time where I did something with the rotary that I wasn't able to un-do. (Ie holograms, etc).

I do look forward to getting a few years under my belt though, because I am sure that a lot of skill and learning must be first hand...

I think your last sentence nailed it right on the head: "I do look forward to getting a few years under my belt though, because I am sure that a lot of skill and learning must be first hand..." It does take years of practical experience to become proficient at any craft. I also appreciate your honesty as I have said above there are just too many keyboard commandos out there!


Tim

[Justin Murphy]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

Wow. Split 50/50 right now. Kind of figured it.
I know I'd like to learn the rotary more but I'm afraid of the "if you don't use it, you loose it" statement.

[Justin Murphy]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

That's the big variable in this discussion... how do you define Professional?

Probably would have kept the discussion more specific if the definition of Professional had been included at the start, but regardless it's still a good discussion...

I'm actually glad I didn't because from what I'm seeing, everyone has a different perspective on the definition of a pro. Kind of cool to watch and learn.

[yalerd]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

That's the big variable in this discussion... how do you define Professional?

I'll put this into the table. Isn't the word "professional" being misused?
I say this because of the definitions in these two words that are often confused.

Professional is a person that requires certain types of skilled work requiring formal training or education, thus having a scientific nature and collegiate character
Trade a type of activity that involves manual labor and empirical techniques

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

Justin, you're a Pro. Don't let anyone tell you anything different. You provide a service to people, and you do a damn good job doing it. When you're referring to "another site" that doesn't think you're a pro because you don't use rotary or spend xxx amount of hours detailing, just remember this.....If it's the same site that I'm thinking(no names ), then those people don't consider me a pro either. In fact they've said, in their most insulting tone, that I am not a pro, and called me other names also.

Using a DA to do paint correction is not a negative. In fact, right now, sitting my garage is a 1968 Mustang Shelby GT 500 KR 428 Super Cobra Jet. It's one of 3 in the world that has this color(more of a green). This car is worth well over a quarter of a million dollars! The owner is getting ready to roll it through Barrett-Jackson next month, and wants it to look it's absolute best that it can so he can get as much $$$$ as possible. I am very proficiant with a rotarty, and use it on a lot of cars. But this one is just getting the DA treatment. M205 and a DA is working this paint into perfection! So just because you use a DA, doesn't mean you're not a pro.

Don't let anyone beat you down, that site definately isn't worth it!

Nick

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

I'll put this into the table. Isn't the word "professional" being misused?
I say this because of the definitions in these two words that are often confused.

Professional is a person that requires certain types of skilled work requiring formal training or education, thus having a scientific nature and collegiate character
Trade a type of activity that involves manual labor and empirical techniques

I've been to Meguiar's Saturday clinic's. Does that mean I'm a pro?

IMO, your definitions mean nothing when it comes to detailing. Is there a college that teaches professional rotary buffing or professional detailing? No there is not. At best, you can get into someone personal school, and you can learn THEIR way of detailing, or what THEY consider the professional way.

[Mike Phillips]

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I agree, it is a good discussion. I am not sure if your comment above was directed at my definition of "professional" or one's opinion of the term "professional" in general.

Just one's opinion of the term professional in general.

[yalerd]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

I've been to Meguiar's Saturday clinic's. Does that mean I'm a pro?

IMO, your definitions mean nothing when it comes to detailing. Is there a college that teaches professional rotary buffing or professional detailing? No there is not. At best, you can get into someone personal school, and you can learn THEIR way of detailing, or what THEY consider the professional way.

I agree with you Nick.

Let me try to explain what I mean, guess thinking in Spanish and writing in English is not communicating my idea well

From Wikipedia

TRADE: In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, such occupations as skilled construction work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, plumber, bricklayer and other similar occupations. Many companies include the word professional in their company name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service.

PROFESSIONAL:A professional is a person in a profession that requires certain types of skilled work requiring formal training or education.

Saying this, and I'm not trying to disrespect any of you because aside what "this definition" states I truly believe that Nick, Justin, Mike Phillips, Mike Pennington, Tim, Joe and many more here are truly professionals but this is my question, is detailing a profession or occupation?

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

is detailing a profession or occupation?

Guess that would all come down to the individuals mindset.
If one wakes up every morning dreading their job, then that would be defined as an occupation.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

I've been to Meguiar's Saturday clinic's. Does that mean I'm a pro?

IMO, your definitions mean nothing when it comes to detailing. Is there a college that teaches professional rotary buffing or professional detailing? No there is not. At best, you can get into someone personal school, and you can learn THEIR way of detailing, or what THEY consider the professional way.

Easy Nick, this is meant to be a good discussion and not anything personal.

I believe Francis was just trying to explain the real definition of the term Professional as used by the universities etc. and the professional community. When someone earns a professional degree through an academic institution, certain standards have been met. I already mentioned that earlier in the thread. Hence my reason for adding that to this discussion.

In detailing, there are no standards which is unfortunate because while you do have the skill and the experience to call yourself a Pro, there are many others who also call themselves Pros when they are nothing more than self promoting armchair bandits! What separates you from them is the proof from the resulting detail. But alas, when a person comes to them, if they are great talkers, then the Joe public has no idea what or who to believe. In a trade like detailing, the term Professional is being misused as you Nick are a master of your craft as Dr. Maurice mentioned above based on your proficiency and ability to do your trade extremely well.

Tim

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

I'm not upset Tim, I just forgot to add smileys

Hydrocodine and posting on forums is not a good mix Sorry if I came across as being insulted or a jerk.

[drculinarian]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

Some consider being a professional as someone who is very good at what they do. Some people are professionals at wasting time, others are professional bull-**** artist.
I consider a professional as someone who makes money at there craft. If you look in the job want adds they have a listing for what they consider a professional category.
To me a good professional goes about his business doing the best he can, knowing what his strengths and weakness are. He will work towards his strengths and steer away from the areas he is unsure of. In every field you will find those who are there because they need a job, and they may even do it well, but there are those who go about their jobs with an air of being a professional. It is a mind set but it is also a pride in the work they do and they refuse to let others down, there in it for the long haul.

Dr. Maurice

[Justin Murphy]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

That is how I would classify a pro.
If you're performing a service and the customer is happy and pays you, over and over again, you must be doing something right.

Something professional. Regardless of what tools you're using.

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

That is how I would classify a pro.
If you're performing a service and the customer is happy and pays you, over and over again, you must be doing something right.

Something professional. Regardless of what tools you're using.

I think it goes a little deeper than that, but I get what you're saying.

[yalerd]

Re: Have to use the rotary to be a pro?

Easy Nick, this is meant to be a good discussion and not anything personal.

I believe Francis was just trying to explain the real definition of the term Professional as used by the universities etc. and the professional community. When someone earns a professional degree through an academic institution, certain standards have been met. I already mentioned that earlier in the thread. Hence my reason for adding that to this discussion.

In detailing, there are no standards which is unfortunate because while you do have the skill and the experience to call yourself a Pro, there are many others who also call themselves Pros when they are nothing more than self promoting armchair bandits! What separates you from them is the proof from the resulting detail. But alas, when a person comes to them, if they are great talkers, then the Joe public has no idea what or who to believe. In a trade like detailing, the term Professional is being misused as you Nick are a master of your craft as Dr. Maurice mentioned above based on your proficiency and ability to do your trade extremely well.

Tim

EXACTLY!!
This is what I'm trying to say, you read my mind Tim, thanks for the clarification.

Because the word "professional" is used in many way, anybody can come and say he's a professional in detailing but I guess we can call someone a professional when they are a "master of his/her craft", a person that truly understand, a person that sees more and won't back down if he doesn't delivery the results he want to achieve and the results are demonstrated one / two / three / infinite times.

Nick, just making things clear, if I disrespected you by the definition and the thing I was trying to explain I apologize but it wasn't my intention