Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Hmm. Strange how M80 has more cutting power than M82.

There's no order to the numbers, they're "Quik Reference Part Numbers".

Usually confusing to people not in the refinishing industry moving from our Consumer Line of products to our Professional Line of products.

[Boba]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Hmm. Strange how M80 has more cutting power than M82.

[Alfisti]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Just ordered M82, M83, M21 and Last Touch. Hopefully my PC will be here by tomorrow.

Nice products.

Anyways, I'm going to tackle my car by starting with my M09 and see if that does the trick. If not, move up to M82, then M83, then back down to M82, then finally M09 again (this is correct right?) So basically I won't be using the LC orange light cutting pad, but instead, use polishing pad and finish with fine polishing pad. Is dime sized polish enough for 18x18?

Forget M09. Going from M09 to M82 is almost a duplication.

Try M82, then step up to M83 if you need more correction, and finishing off with M82. Perfect!

[Alfisti]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Also, can I use 2 different kinds of polish on the same pad on the same day if I just clean it using the "clean on the fly" method? Also, what's the method for cleaning them when I'm done detailing and want to store them?

No...different pad for different grade polish. Even after a good machine wash some residual abrasives can remain in the foam and marr the finish if used for finishing.

Dedicate one pad for correcting polish and one pad for finishing polish. I normally would write on the velcro to avoid mixing them if using the same colour pad for correcting and finishing.

[Alfisti]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Both M09 and M82 have a theoretical cut of 3. M80 has a cut of 4. *My* fave of the three is M80, then M82. However, since he already has M82 he's good to stick to that. Although M09 and M82 claim the same abrasiveness, IME M82 has better correcting ability closer to M80. M09 has done little for me...don't really like it.

With a PC, my choices of the *ol' skool* Megs polishes would be M83 followed by M80 (or M82 as second best).

[akimel]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Actually, I think Boba should all Meguiar's back immediately and substitute #80 for #82. He doesn't need #82 since he already has #9. #80 will be much more useful for him, don't you think?

[Alfisti]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

M09 and M82 are very close in cut and finish. FWIW, I'd forget M09 and start or finish with M82.

[Boba]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Just ordered M82, M83, M21 and Last Touch. Hopefully my PC will be here by tomorrow.

Anyways, I'm going to tackle my car by starting with my M09 and see if that does the trick. If not, move up to M82, then M83, then back down to M82, then finally M09 again (this is correct right?) So basically I won't be using the LC orange light cutting pad, but instead, use polishing pad and finish with fine polishing pad. Is dime sized polish enough for 18x18?

Also, can I use 2 different kinds of polish on the same pad on the same day if I just clean it using the "clean on the fly" method? Also, what's the method for cleaning them when I'm done detailing and want to store them?

[Bert31]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Yes. As long as you work the paint long enough with M105 to bring the finish to a super high gloss.

Interesting, with diminishing abrasives, I realize it is important to work the polish for a sufficient amount of time to break them down. With M105 NOT using diminishing abrasives, I figured once the swirling/marring is gone you should stop working the polish and move to the next spot since the abrasives are not going to break down.

Along with the post above, I don't work M105 as long as I do other compounds because it tends to dry out faster. I wonder if I am not using enough.

No. You don't have to. M105 and M205 use different abrasive technology than our traditional diminishing abrasive technology and this kind of throws a monkey wrench into tried and true logic.

M105 offers aggressive cut but you can vary the cut by your pressure, choice of pad and length of buffing cycle. This is where experience with the actual product on a car in your garage beats out anything I can type with a keyboard.

That makes sense. I guess while going from a polishing pad and 205 to a cutting pad and 105 would be too much of a jump, 205 on a polishing pad to 105 on a polishing pad and taking it easy with pressure is probably not that drastic of a jump in reality.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Man I love this thread...

[Holden_Caulfield04]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

(You can just call me Mike)

There's three (or more).

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

EDIT: not the first time I was beaten to the punch.

(You can just call me Mike)

[Holden_Caulfield04]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Off topic again: Does Meguiar's carry any paint sealants?

A lot of products are called waxes that are in fact sealants. Meguiar's NXT2 tech wax is a good example of polymer technology. It's called a wax just because it's easy for the layperson to understand. I think I recall Mr. Phillips remarking that if someone were to walk up to the shelf in a Walmart or Autozone and they picked up a bottle and it said paint sealant, they would become confused and put the product back on the shelf and look for something they were familiar with.

If you look around, you'll find that Meguiar's makes a number of paint sealants.

EDIT: not the first time I was beaten to the punch.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Off topic again: Does Meguiar's carry any paint sealants?

On the homepage of the forum you can find this,

Have Questions? Looking for Answers?
So much good, practical and helpful information in the "Information Station" like these two forum groups and the List 'O Links thread.
Hot Topics
How To Articles
List 'O Links 2.0


There's TONS of great information in those three last links and 4 pages with 30 threads on a page of what you could call "hot" or popular topics in the "Hot Topics" forum.

Like this one,

Is it a wax? Or a paint sealant?

Just have to spend a little time looking through the thread titles and in most cases there's a thread or two or twenty that addresses a topic you're interested in.

[Boba]

Re: Will Zaino Z2 bond to M09 or M80?

Off topic again: Does Meguiar's carry any paint sealants?

Also, which products in the Professional line are evenly matched with SwirlX and ScratchX? I'm not sure if I should wait for the new micro-abrasive technology or not.