How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

[saleem]

A n00b question:

#80 and #83 both remove part of your clearcoat.

If you apply #80 monthly, would your clearcoat remain after 5-10 years? What about #83? (I guess #83 isnt necessary monthly-- #80 is fine for that sorta upkeep).

Thoughts?

In a related question, how long do you leave #80/#83 after applying? They leave a dust, right? (and how long for wax-- do u use a bonnet on a PC or by hand, preferably?)

Thanks in advance!

[Chex]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

if those are applied with a rotary and that person doesn't know how to use it, your clear would die in that moment :P

I guess your clear would last depending on how harsh you treat it with these products. maybe 3 to 4 years, but there can't be a completely accurate answer.

regarding dry up time, there should be none. you apply it, you remove it right away. If you let it dry, it will be harder to remove.

Hope This Helps

[Silverfish]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

A n00b question:

#80 and #83 both remove part of your clearcoat.

If you apply #80 monthly, would your clearcoat remain after 5-10 years? #80 is fine for that sorta upkeep?

Great question! That is something I was wondering myself. I just detailed my truck and had awesome results with M80 then NXT on black paint applied with a G100. Instead of a #80 and NXT combo thought about using #9 then NXT since #9 is less abrasive (more of a filler).

[tguil]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

You should not have to use #80 monthly unless you are pretty darn "dumb" about how you wash your vehicle. Typically I use #8O twice a year and #83 only if I have some bad scratches or marring to remove. I have found that if I use ColorX, I don't really need to use much else for excellent maintenance of the finish of my trucks. ColorX is a cleaner wax that has very mild abrassives in it. I apply it every six to eight weeks. NXT would have probably have same results if you use a gentle washing techique. It has a very mild cleaner but no abrassives.

Short answer: Don't use either #80 or #83 monthly. There should be no need to.

Tom

[Superior Shine]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Read this thread - How much paint are you removing?

What DACP removed of the film build was less than what the ETG-1 could measure so it had to b every very little.

As posted before me, one shouldn't have to use DACP very much on the same vehicle.

[saleem]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Short answer: Don't use either #80 or #83 monthly. There should be no need to.

Thanks. But, aren't they part of the '5 step process', that is, cleaning and polishing the paint? What should the process be? Would using the "deep crystal" one be milder/better? I thought #80 was a cleaner/polisher, and made life a little easier (and is made to be applied w/ g100)

[bernard78]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

If u used M83 & M81 to de-swirl the paint surface already. It should be able to last u for some time. Unless u are taking ur car to the machine wash every so often. Hand wash is also quite safe, if one done it properly & correctly. That's why I prefer to wash my car myself. Learn to wash the correct way. And u should not need to use the cleaner polishes so often. It won't cut away the clear coat.... The thing is it will thin up the clear coat. I've seen many cars in my area that doesn't even wax b4, and they have clear coat failure. So how...? The answer is moderation. Just polish it as good as u can get it, then maintain it. It'll shine up & make u happy. Don't worry.

If u want to upkeep the paint, u might wanna consider M82 Swirl Free Polish. U can use it with a MG W9006 finishing pad. Or DC1 Paint Cleaner on a MG W8006 polishing pad. DC1 also can remove very light swirls. And its very mild & very effective paint cleaner.

Maybe 2-3 times a year with M80 should do the trick. I don't even have to use M83 on my 5 year old car to get rid of some light swirls. I bought it 2nd hand, a 4 years old car. I only used M80 twice on it. 1st time didn't do it correctly. 2nd time, I did manage to tackle most of the swirls. Now I just maintain it, wash & wax the car. U can use ColorX in between like 'tguil' mentioned. Its a great cleaner wax. It can remove light swirls too.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Thanks. But, aren't they part of the '5 step process', that is, cleaning and polishing the paint? What should the process be? Would using the "deep crystal" one be milder/better? I thought #80 was a cleaner/polisher, and made life a little easier (and is made to be applied w/ g100)

Meguiar's always teaches people to evaluate the condition of the paint and use the evaluation process to show you what you need to do in order to reach your car care goals.

If your goal is a show car finish all of the time then you're going to want to find a system that enables you to restore your car's finish to show car quality if and when the quality diminishes to below your expectations.

If you find the quality of your car's finish diminishing below your expectations often then you'll want to look at how the finish is being cared for and treated and try to stop any problems at the root cause.


We had a guy come to one of our classes with a black Corvette complaining about the swirls in the paint even after he had it detailed by two different professional detailers.

We asked him how the paint looked after it was detailed both times and he said, "It looked great!"

We asked him how he took care of the car after it was detailed, as in how did he wash the car? He said he took it to both tunnel car washes and hand car washes and had it washed. This is where the swirls were coming from, the truth is that if you want to avoid swirls then the best way to do this is to take ownership of the car washing process, especially if you have a black or dark colored car.

He didn't like hearing this, but that's the truth because clear coat paints are scratch-sensitive, that is they will scratch easily.

Another negative thing about clear coat finishes is that the scratches and swirls are easy for your eyes to see, so now that's two negative things working against you and your desire for a show car finish,

1. Clear coat finishes scratch easy
2. Swirls and scratches in clear coat finishes are easy to see

Now to make things worse, for most people, removing swirls and scratches out of clear coat finishes without the proper tools, products and training is difficult.

For all of the above reasons the car washing process can be one of the most important factors that will affect how your car's finish will look over time and thus it becomes very important that everything is done in such a way as to reduce the potential in instill swirls and scratches when washing a car and this means taking ownership of the car washing process.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

If you apply #80 monthly, would your clearcoat remain after 5-10 years? What about #83? (I guess #83 isnt necessary monthly-- #80 is fine for that sorta upkeep).

Thoughts?

Depends on a lot of factors such as how aggressively is the M80 being applied, besides the product itself, application material and application method are also direct factors as to how aggressive a product is.

#9 is also a cleaner/polish and a lot less aggressive and unless you're putting a lot of swirls and scratches into the paint, it should remove light stuff and prepare the paint perfectly for wax application.


What's your car care goal? A show car finish 100% of the time?
Is this a daily driver?
How do you wash the car?
How do you drive the car? Commute to work or 4-wheel it in the woods?

If it's just a daily driver seeing normal wear and tear then you might look at a combination of M80 and a less aggressive product depending on what the paint needs.

In a related question, how long do you leave #80/#83 after applying?

They leave a dust, right? (and how long for wax-- do u use a bonnet on a PC or by hand, preferably?)

Thanks in advance!

The only products in the Meguiar's line that need to dry after application are waxes, every other product should be removed after it has been worked against the finish.

How to remove a dried wax is personal preferences, by hand or by machine both work well it depends on what you're preference is and what you're trying to accomplish.

What are you working on?

[saleem]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Depends on a lot of factors such as how aggressively is the M80 being applied, besides the product itself, application material and application method are also direct factors as to how aggressive a product is.

#9 is also a cleaner/polish and a lot less aggressive and unless you're putting a lot of swirls and scratches into the paint, it should remove light stuff and prepare the paint perfectly for wax application.


What's your car care goal? A show car finish 100% of the time?
Is this a daily driver?
How do you wash the car?
How do you drive the car? Commute to work or 4-wheel it in the woods?


What are you working on?

Thanks for your responses, Mike. I'm working on an 07 Accord, which is my daily driver (normal, road-based commute ), stored outside. I'm not looking for a show car finish all the time, but i'd like the car to be presentable, better than avg. I'm washing the car by hand, Gold Class and a microfiber mitt. for a casual upkeep like this, maybe i'll do #80 the first time, and #9 before waxing to maintain?

i plan on using a PC, with the normal pads 8006 for DACP, 9006 for wax. and, as i understand 7006 w/ a bonnet for removing the residue.

How does #9 for monthly upkeep sound? (that is, wash, clay, #9, wax*2)

[Mike Phillips]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

and, as i understand 7006 w/ a bonnet for removing the residue.

Yes, the stiffness of the pad helps the bonnet to remove the wax better than a softer foam.

How does #9 for monthly upkeep sound? (that is, wash, clay, #9, wax*2)

That should keep your car's paint looking showroom new with a blinding shine!

You're friends will need -->

[saleem]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

That should keep your car's paint looking showroom new with a blinding shine!

You're friends will need -->

Haha! Excellent! The original concern -- degradation of the clearcoat over time (lets say 10 years)-- is not an issue?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Haha! Excellent! The original concern -- degradation of the clearcoat over time (lets say 10 years)-- is not an issue?

If you're using the products you just listed the correct way, the least of your worries will be related to having the paint last over the service life of your car.

[Silverfish]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

Last week I used the G100 and applied #80 and top it with 2 coats of NXT and the finish was swirl/water spot free. I week later washed my black F-150 and had water spots on the paint before I finished. I applied some NXT with the G100 and it did not remove the water spots. I was thinking of trying to wash the truck in the garage so the sun can't dry the water to create the spots.

So will #9 be enough to remove the water spots considering it was just waxed with 2 coats of NXT the week before?

[saleem]

Re: How often can you #80/#83 in car lifetime?

If you're using the products you just listed the correct way, the least of your worries will be related to having the paint last over the service life of your car.

Thanks for helping a n00b, mike!

Now to buy my inventory of EVERRYTTTHINNGG