Surface comes out streaky and oily

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Can't wait to hear the results Mike!
I've been performing some tests on my own to isolate the variables, but all to no avail. Last week I clayed, #80ed, DC 2ed, and then liquid Nxt waxed.
This morning it is partly cloudy, 83 degrees with 57 humidity. After an hour with NXT Tech on, it finger swiped clear, but smeared with a MF when attempted to be removed. I then put the back half of my car in the sun and the front half in the shade and waited another hour and a half. It definitely finger swiped clear again, but both halves still smeared. The biggest difference I noticed is that NXT Tech no longer dusts at all. When I first got it, it would dusts after half an hour which made it easier to remove, but now it just smears with no dusting. It definitely looks like it hasn't set up at all after a couple of hours.
I'll also post pics of what the smearing looks like tonight after my camera charges.
Tomorrow (if I clean my garage), I'll attempt it inside a garage which is temp controlled at 65 degrees. That, or I will apply it at night to see any difference.

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My interesting #21 finding. I shook #21 until it was mixed fully, then poured it into a separate bottle for dispensing. I used the bottle on 3 cars over 2 weekends and it was fine. Then this weekend (after about a month or so in the separate bottle) the wax had completely separated. In all I used about 1/2 the bottle on the 3 cars and now what was left was about 1/3 watery looking substance with 2/3 slightly less watery purple substance sitting on top of it. No matter how hard I shook the product it did not mix back together and I ended up pouring it out.

I had no trouble at all on the 3 cars I used it on and was really happy with the product. And oddly enough the remaining product in the 64oz container is still fine. I'm quite baffled as to why the product I poured into the smaller bottle separated after such a short time and the remaining product in the original container is fine. Both were in the same garage subject to the same temperatures and humidity. Is there something special with those tan mirror glaze containers that keeps the products together??

In all I'd say I waisted about 8oz of 21. I guess its not really that much but when you pay $34 for it I'd expect it to last a bit longer than a month.

[RamAirV1]

Same here! I bought mine in the Meguairs "ketchup bottle." It is semi-clear and lets in light. Could that possibly be a factor? Did it cause partial or premature curing in the bottle? Who knows? Or maybe the ketchup bottle doesn't offer a seal that is airtight enough?

If the bottle is the factor I accept that and will get some in the original bottle. I would just like to know if it is a factor and what is causing the streaks.

I wonder how many people with streaking issues are using a dispenser bottle. It would be interesing to know.

Maybe the people that didn't use a dispenser bottle and had trouble should weigh in. Most probably did use a dispenser bottle of some sort.

I think this is more reason to offer #21 in a 16 oz. tan bottle.

RamAirV1

[OctaneGuy]

I had an issue with my Ketchup bottle as well. Since this thread, I've been very diligent to make sure I thoroughly shake my bottles. I transfer from the 64 OZ to the ketchup bottle.

Yesterday I picked up my ketchup bottle ready for use and it sloshed around inside. Hmmm, not a good sign. I shook it for a good 2 minutes, and dispensed it, and the white liquid came out. No amount of shaking would make it recombine.

It wasn't humid it yesterday, just hot! I ended up using an M21 sampler I got awhile back--in the black bottle and all was fine.

Strange. I know I'm going off topic here too, but I also had my APC dispenser sprayer fail (2nd sprayer that failed), and 3 different Meguiar's products--Leather cleaner (bottle), Quik Interior Detailer, and Leather cleaner (spray) all completely leak out into my trailer. Plus my two quart bottles of M80 and M83 are both cracked--must have been dropped. LOL. Where am I going with this?

I'm losing more Meguiar's products than I'm using! I think I need to start using my own dispensers.

Richard

Originally posted by RamAirV1
Same here! I bought mine in the Meguairs "ketchup bottle." It is semi-clear and lets in light. Could that possibly be a factor? Did it cause partial or premature curing in the bottle? Who knows? Or maybe the ketchup bottle doesn't offer a seal that is airtight enough?

If the bottle is the factor I accept that and will get some in the original bottle. I would just like to know if it is a factor and what is causing the streaks.

I wonder how many people with streaking issues are using a dispenser bottle. It would be interesing to know.

Maybe the people that didn't use a dispenser bottle and had trouble should weigh in. Most probably did use a dispenser bottle of some sort.

I think this is more reason to offer #21 in a 16 oz. tan bottle.

RamAirV1

[Paramedic]

I received my replacement #21 from Meguiars a week or two ago and finally got a change to play with it some. I did my black truck, girlfriends blue grand prix, neighbors daughters mustang and I did not get any smearing at all. Left it on for 20 minutes and wiped it off. Humidity was not low and temp was in the 80s.
However I did notice that the bottle sitting inside my house, which is kept at 68 degrees was beginning to separate again after 2 days of sitting. I shook it up and it was back to a ketchup form. After 4 days of setting there was even more of a clear liquid that was starting to form again on top.
Im having more problems with the #21 separating then streaking. My new bottle of NXT liquid that I purchased a month ago has not had a problem at all with streaking or separating. I don't know whats causing it to separate so quick.

Nick

[Mister B]

I got my 12oz sample of #21 last week, and this past weekend I planned on doing my entire truck with it. It was in the mid 90's and real humid. I applied a very thin layer of 21 with the PC to the entire truck in the shade. After going over the entire truck with 21 I went back to where I had started and did the swipe test and the 21 was streaky, so I pulled my truck out into the sun so that it would hopefully set up faster. I went and did a few things and came back a little later to do the swipe test and it was still slightly streaky, but not as bad, so I let it sit for a while longer. After I came back this time the 21 swiped clean. So I went ahead and wiped down the entire truck with good results. There were a few areas that had some very slight streaking when I was wiping it down, but it did buff off with a few more passes.

The #21 looks great on my truck. I was just surprised at how long the product took to set up before I could wipe it off. I just hope my new 12oz bottle of 21 does not seperate like many others here have talked about.

[TKDDAD]

It is getting a little concerning about how #21 is being viewed with regard to this issue....I REALLY want to continue using the product with confidence but I haven't really read anything yet that gives me that confidence...I am detailing two black cars in the next week, an Acura MDX and a Cadillac XLR...both black and would love to be confident enough to use #21...but might go with #16 instead...NXT Tech Wax (liquid) has also streaked for me so.......I wish my friends would buy silver cars ...Anyway, I may do one with #21 just so I have some recent pictures to add to this thread....might mean extra work for me but we need a solution/suggestions on this topic....I too bought the 12 oz bottle from ADS and have used it once on my black car with ok results from a streaking perspective...the durability is unquestionable however...

[Paramedic]

Mike posted on page 21, that we would have a response on this issue on Monday that we can bank on... Today is Tuesday and there is NO response yet.. Not sure what Monday we are talking about....

Nick

Originally posted by TKDDAD
It is getting a little concerning about how #21 is being viewed with regard to this issue....I REALLY want to continue using the product with confidence but I haven't really read anything yet that gives me that confidence...I am detailing two black cars in the next week, an Acura MDX and a Cadillac XLR...both black and would love to be confident enough to use #21...but might go with #16 instead...NXT Tech Wax (liquid) has also streaked for me so.......I wish my friends would buy silver cars ...Anyway, I may do one with #21 just so I have some recent pictures to add to this thread....might mean extra work for me but we need a solution/suggestions on this topic....I too bought the 12 oz bottle from ADS and have used it once on my black car with ok results from a streaking perspective...the durability is unquestionable however...

[OctaneGuy]

While I'm obviously not Mike, today is HIS day off, so if he's quiet, there is a good reason. Although he's been known to post even on his days off, he isn't anywhere near a computer right now..as I just spoke to him.

Secondly, Mike Phillips isn't Meguiars. If he posts that he will get answers, its up to his superiors to respond. If he hasn't posted when he expects an answer, maybe its because either they don't have an answer yet to give to him, or maybe those in charge aren't ready to respond.

Whatever the reason, Mike is just doing his job so please give him some slack and relax.

Richard

[inthedetails]

Nick,

When I spoke with Mike on Thursday, he assured me that he had done all he could do...and that it was still being looked into.

Maybe, they are doing some more research, or maybe they figured it out, either way a day or two shouldn't matter.

Dave

[TH0001]

I would like to agree with Octaneguy on an important issue. While Mike works for Meguiars, he isn't Meguiars. Anybody getting upset at Mike for the streaking or the lack of answers is missing the point. Mike is very passionate about Meguiars, and is sometimes guilty of overdefending them (passion does that) but he isn't to blame one bit in this.

I started this thread because I thought I was doing something wrong, but it looks like its a problem with the product (since several of us are having problems with it). Tomarrow, I have a very high dollar detail (please don't let me down 21, PLEASE)on a black Dodge Ram SRT-10 Twin Turbo which could lead to some high end clients, so I am praying that 21 doesn't streak. Also, I cannot wait 3 hours for this stuff to setup because of the amount of time I am budgetting for this detail already. I live an hour away and am arriving at 6 AM and full expecting to put in 14 hours before going to LSP... I really don't want to wait until after midnight to try to get it off, or worse, drive home, only to wake up a couple hours later to return thier to remove it.

Tomarrow wil be the big test for my new bottle.... That said, I personally am grateful that Mike has taken an intrest in this matter, and I am sure he is just is dissapointed that he doesn't have an anwser as we do, because it is making the company he works for look bad and in turn making him look bad by promising an answer on Monday (which he likely assured of having) and not having one. I support Mike, and I am glad he is helping us out.

[Jason Rose]

The response that Mike Phillips mentioned would happen on Monday, is late because of me. My sincere apology...mostly to Mike Phillips...it makes Mike, and the company, look bad when we don't do what we say we will do.

So yes, cut Mike some slack...if you are so inclined. But don't cut me any! I'm the hold up. I delayed the response so that I could do some field testing with professional end users (Saturday, Sunday, and Monday) and lab testing with R&D (today.)

The post (likely tomorrow, but ASAP) will be a solid response with input from Management, R&D, Marketing, and Training departments.

Thanks in advance for your patience,
Jason Rose
Meguiar's, Inc.

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by TH0001
I would like to agree with Octaneguy on an important issue. While Mike works for Meguiars, he isn't Meguiars. Anybody getting upset at Mike for the streaking or the lack of answers is missing the point. Mike is very passionate about Meguiars, and is sometimes guilty of overdefending them (passion does that) but he isn't to blame one bit in this.

I started this thread because I thought I was doing something wrong, but it looks like its a problem with the product (since several of us are having problems with it). Tomarrow, I have a very high dollar detail (please don't let me down 21, PLEASE)on a black Dodge Ram SRT-10 Twin Turbo which could lead to some high end clients, so I am praying that 21 doesn't streak. Also, I cannot wait 3 hours for this stuff to setup because of the amount of time I am budgetting for this detail already. I live an hour away and am arriving at 6 AM and full expecting to put in 14 hours before going to LSP... I really don't want to wait until after midnight to try to get it off, or worse, drive home, only to wake up a couple hours later to return thier to remove it.

Tomarrow wil be the big test for my new bottle.... That said, I personally am grateful that Mike has taken an intrest in this matter, and I am sure he is just is dissapointed that he doesn't have an anwser as we do, because it is making the company he works for look bad and in turn making him look bad by promising an answer on Monday (which he likely assured of having) and not having one. I support Mike, and I am glad he is helping us out.

Answers aren't always arrived at on schedule, and that's the way it is sometimes with manufacturing. And it's not Mike's fault, nor is it Jason's. Things happen, things go wrong, but I trust that Meguiars will make it right.

OK........times up! (j/k)

RamAirV1

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I pulled out what was left of the 64oz bottle of 21 tonight and its hard to tell if it is having the same problems as what I put in the separate bottle or not. When I shake it, it is pretty liquidy, but since the bottle is not clear its impossible to tell if it has separated or not. I'll be interested to see what Mike has to say.

[sneek]

I am slowly getting more and more used to M21. I am almost certain that when you let M21 set longer that there are less streaks. A second application is usually impossible when you wait for the 21 to set for 2 hours. I think that M21 would be a good product to be applied in the sun. The only problem I see is that when you apply M21 to a hot surface the 21 releases little droplets of water where you have applied it.