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  • So I'm waxing the Nissan...

    Well, today it was still somewhat sunny when I got home, so I figured I'd wash the Nissan. It's a fast car to wash as it's so small. The #16 and Collonite from my comparo are totally done. Water slow sheeting off, crud doesn't wash off easily.

    So, into the garage it goes and I'm thinking "what to apply"... I go with Klasse AIO because it's an easy prep step. Then I think about topping with #16, then think "nah, liquid souveran". Then I figure, what the heck, lets give Zaino another whirl. I never really gave it much of a second chance. Let's see how it holds up on the Nissan, the killer of synthetics.

    Ever wonder why so many people like AIO, as it's a great cleaner and also leaves some protection behind, but products that are a great protecant but also leave some clean behind are so frowned upon?

    The Nissan has mirror housings that are a single-stage black and oxidize once the wax has worn off. They were still looking nice, but some AIO rejuvenated them.

    Anyway, as I'm waxing them with Zaino, layering the product over the acrylic layer left behind by AIO, and watching black paint come off on the pad, and noticing a spot of blue at the bottom of the bottle: the drop of ZFX that doesn't seem to want to mix at all with the Z2; I can't help but think how similar most products are.

    It's a lot like buying food. Some people think all organic is the way to go and worth the extra cost. Some think advances in science make better foods. Some think meat is meat, why pay a lot for it... In the end, it really doesn't make that much difference if you buy generic frosted flakes or if you buy the super organic grown by monks cereal. All that really matters is that you are content with it. Maybe you are content knowing you paid fifty cents for a crushed box of generic cereal. Or maybe you're content knowing people went to the most effort to make your $8 box of cereal. Maybe you think one tastes great and the other tastes terrible. Someone else probably thinks the exact opposite.

    There's a lot of marketing science behind food, much like there is behind wax. And you have the people who say you've just gotta eat a certain way because it's best for you, or because other ways are a waste of money. There are people who lived to be 100 and drank 8 glasses of water a day. And there are people who lived to be 100 by only drinking when they were thirsty, and even then mostly drinking beer. In the end, while the quality of ingredients are different, the ratio of ingredients are different, probably a million things are different, it's all pretty much just food. And it all appeals to someone.

    As I parked the Nissan back outside, I couldn't help but notice how shiny and reflective it was. Zaino's easy to use, left the surface nice and slick, and leaves quite a shine. Plus it's made in America (well, New Jersey anyway). If you like it, who can argue with that? Will I start using it now? Probably not... And who can argue with that? I do look forward to seeing how it holds up.
    Last edited by Aurora40; Apr 11, 2005, 08:34 PM.
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    I'd be interested in hearing how it holds up on that Nissan, Bob. I know its reputation!
    Owner, Scott's Mobile Auto Detailing

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Scottwax
      I'd be interested in hearing how it holds up on that Nissan, Bob. I know its reputation!
      I washed the car yesterday with Z7. The car was pretty polleny shortly after the Z. Then it rained and it was really pretty clean. Then it got polleny again recently, and must have lightly rained overnight, making the car a mess.

      When it was raining, the car beaded quite well.

      It washed up easy enough. However, the final rinse resulted in a lot of flat broad pools that didn't move very quickly off the paint. The look is gone, it just looks like clean paint. When I dried it, you could see holograms of water spots as the towel moved over the paint. So all in all, not that great.

      If it were anything else, I'd have waxed the car yesterday too. But I figured let's see what happens. It'll rain this weekend, lets see the beading.

      Synthetics don't last on the Nissan, and it seems Zaino is no exception.
      1990 Corvette ZR-1 Bright Red with Red interior Hear it!
      2002 Aurora 4.0 Cherry Metallic with Neutral interior Hear it!
      1997.5 Regal GS Jasper Green Pearl with Medium Gray interior

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      • #4
        Well, that didn't take long at all. Does anything last on the Altima?

        BTW, Zaino is holding up well on my brother's Odyssey and so did NXT. His is an '03 so having newer paint probably helps.
        Owner, Scott's Mobile Auto Detailing

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scottwax
          Well, that didn't take long at all. Does anything last on the Altima?

          BTW, Zaino is holding up well on my brother's Odyssey and so did NXT. His is an '03 so having newer paint probably helps.
          Heheh, 200SX, not Altima. That's the car I did the 1/2 and 1/2 with #16 and Blitz. Carnaubas last great on it. The clear is definitely on life support. There are small areas of failure, though it hasn't gotten any worse in the last 5 years or so.
          1990 Corvette ZR-1 Bright Red with Red interior Hear it!
          2002 Aurora 4.0 Cherry Metallic with Neutral interior Hear it!
          1997.5 Regal GS Jasper Green Pearl with Medium Gray interior

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          • #6
            Klasse AIO is an excellent product. If Meguiars was not around, I would be using the Klasse twins. AIO is very good at removing water spots. I had some water spots on my TA that were so bad (thanks to using a leaf blower) that even #83 applied by machine could not totally eliminate them. By chance I tried some AIO and they came right off! To this day I am still trying to figure that one out.

            I wonder why the synthetics are not lasting on the Nissan but the Carnaubas do better? There has to be some scientific explanation for this. Is the paint type that much different.

            RamAirV1
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            • #7
              Bob-if the paint is going, wax or sealant isn't going to last long. I noticed on my Accord that the paint on the front end would bead a lot longer than the rest of the car. It had been repainted after an accident so when I sold the car, that paint was around 5 years old and the rest of the paint was nearly 15 years old! On the roof, the clearcoat was beginning to fail and nothing would last more than 3-4 weeks on it.
              Owner, Scott's Mobile Auto Detailing

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              • #8
                The car still has decent gloss from the paint. And it is not actively getting worse. But carnaubas do last on it just fine. Sealants have so far proven to last pretty poorly.
                1990 Corvette ZR-1 Bright Red with Red interior Hear it!
                2002 Aurora 4.0 Cherry Metallic with Neutral interior Hear it!
                1997.5 Regal GS Jasper Green Pearl with Medium Gray interior

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                • #9
                  I'll do this to save Mike some time.................




                  It would be interesting to see some pics of the sealantphobic (is that a word?) paint.

                  RamAirV1
                  2015 Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack 392Granite Crystal
                  2006 GTO Impulse Blue

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                  • #10
                    I have some picts here: http://autopia.org/forums/showthread...threadid=49477

                    I posted up some close-ups of some of the paint condition once before, but I think it was on Show Car Garage.
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                    2002 Aurora 4.0 Cherry Metallic with Neutral interior Hear it!
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                    • #11
                      As a former 100% Zaino user, I have found that there is NO MATCH to the reflection I get from Zaino (it's 99.9% optically perfect) Plus... Theres a magazine called "Guru Reports" that tested like 30 polishes/waxes (natural and synthetic) and Zaino came out #1 even after like 6 months the test panel that had Zaino was just as shiny as the day it was applied! BUT..... the problem I've had w/Zaino, is they have no real good prepping products, It's a COMPLETE Pain in the a55 (if it's done correctly). AND.... I wish the Guru reports would do the test now w/Meguiars NXT line. This is the stuff that has lead me to Meguiars. Plus Zaino isn't the best at bring out depth, nothing compared what I've seen with Meguiars.. So I do all prep work w/Meguiars, and top it off w/Zaino. and that's my $.02

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by msuperbauer
                        As a former 100% Zaino user, I have found that there is NO MATCH to the reflection I get from Zaino (it's 99.9% optically perfect) Plus... Theres a magazine called "Guru Reports" that tested like 30 polishes/waxes (natural and synthetic) and Zaino came out #1 even after like 6 months the test panel that had Zaino was just as shiny as the day it was applied! BUT..... the problem I've had w/Zaino, is they have no real good prepping products, It's a COMPLETE Pain in the a55 (if it's done correctly). AND.... I wish the Guru reports would do the test now w/Meguiars NXT line. This is the stuff that has lead me to Meguiars. Plus Zaino isn't the best at bring out depth, nothing compared what I've seen with Meguiars.. So I do all prep work w/Meguiars, and top it off w/Zaino. and that's my $.02
                        Since you seem to be very fimilar with Zaino. How does NXT compare to it?
                        /Keith
                        2001 LT Tahoe | Hybrid Wheels - Depo Headlights with DDM HID's (55w @ 4.5k) - Clear Corners - Sonar LED Tail Lights (Red Smoked)

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                        • #13
                          The NXT blew my mind. It's what made me consider using alot more Meguiars products. I still use the "Show car shine" by Zaino
                          But I guess (from what I've learned) that Zaino is only really effective if your paint is almost perfect (or prepped almost perfect) Plus I really love this forum feature that Meguiars has. Moral of the story NXT IS AMAZING!

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