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A Little Field Trip To Manheim Auctions

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  • JB0NE1
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    I really hate to bump this from months ago, but I was searching for some information on the Manheim auctions and this was the first result, I also saw someone ask about the buff process, so I figured I would give my experiences with the vehicles. I've been detailing for several years now at one of the higher selling Chevrolet dealerships on the east coast, located in northern Virginia, that also owns 5 more used car dealerships in the area, in which 95% of the cars come through our shop from the 6 dealerships, which is just a one person per detail, not assembly line style, with a max of 9-10 detailers we work 300-400 details per month, with maximum quality in mind. We get a very high amount of our used cars from Manheim (Florida, Fredericksburg VA, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania primarily) From what I've noticed is that you can honestly tell that they are focused more on quantity, not quality. The interiors are fairly good, maybe a spot here or there, the biggest problem of interiors are carelessness of inside pockets, or under rear seats that fold down, no big deal though. The exterior is a different issue. They're clean, and you can tell they have been clayblocked (sometimes clearcoat overspray and very occasionally primer and paint overspray, but otherwise decently smooth). In the hundreds of cars that I have personally detailed that have come from Manheim the number one issue is the buff. From what I have heard from our very knowledgeable product distributor, they use a 1 stage buff, which is an upper mid-grade compound/polish which a co-worker bought months ago and has yet to use for the fact that it is very very greasy, and quite coarse. The majority of the cars that I personally see coming from Manheim are GM SUV's, and for our high end dealership Mercedes, BMW, Maserati, Audi, Aston Martin and occasionally GT500's or Viper's. Being that some of the cars bought are sold for $100,000+ I would expect maybe a bit more care given to them in detail, but that seems to not be the case. I have yet to see a vehicle from this auction that is not horribly swirled, even white, in some cases they have been etched so deep that sanding has been needed to remove some its of them. They may look good from a distance at auction, but up close they definitely have issues. I understand that quantity in a place that runs as many vehicles though as Manheim is rather important, but getting a car that has only 22,000 miles and looks like it's been through the worst detail shop around gets frustrating. I hate to put down this huge auction, but I can't help but bring to light the problems. They do more than you can imagine for our dealerships, but fixing their mistakes usually take more time than doing the full detail before they had touched it.

    Example: My fix for the day, 2009 Cadillac CTS-V 22,000 miles from Manheim. The camera didn't nearly show the full extent of swirls, which turned into over 3 hours of work to fix.

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  • 722ish
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    That is awesome! I can hardly believe an XJ220 was there!! Did you manage to get any photos of it as well?
    That's a very cool place for sure!

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  • ethereal45
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    I have to bump this thread because it's just so interesting to see this going on in bulk. That'd be an exhausting job to be on that detailing line.

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  • Mikejl
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    Mike,

    I saw this thread when you first post it, but I was at work and zoomed through it. I took some time read your post and enjoy the pictures this morning.

    Very interesting read! I wouldn't have thought about it, but an assembly line detailing operation at a huge auction makes sense.

    You couldn't expect the quality of work to be at MOL member standards, but I was wondering if you saw any overspray issues on finished cars from their assembly line paint booth process?

    Again, great post and pics!



    Mike

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  • RDVT4ME
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    Mike,

    You are just having way too much fun with this job!!!!

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  • The Critic
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    Originally posted by Trojan fan View Post
    Just a quick question: Do they clay the cars? or go straight from wash to DA?
    +1

    I'm curious what products they use in their detailing process. Obviously their goal is volume, not perfection, so I'd assume that they'd use some type of one-step AIO product for the "machine buff?"

    Michael, can you comment on what products they use or what their paint correction procedure may be?

    Originally posted by Ryan331 View Post
    I happened to go for work, though - so didn't get to do much! (Validating some revisions to our Techstream software on a number of different vehicles - Adessa has a lot of Toyota/Lexus models)
    Do you work for TMS?

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  • hoghead00
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    That was pretty interesting.... The volume of cars going through that place is impressive....

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  • Ryan331
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    That is one heck of a field trip.. Thanks for the picture walkthrough!

    I've been out to the Adessa auto auction - the detailing setup wasn't quite as intense, but it did have a lot going on. The sea of cars in the overflow lot was insane..

    I happened to go for work, though - so didn't get to do much! (Validating some revisions to our Techstream software on a number of different vehicles - Adessa has a lot of Toyota/Lexus models)

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  • Trojan fan
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    Just a quick question: Do they clay the cars? or go straight from wash to DA?

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  • Michael Stoops
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    Originally posted by seth1066 View Post
    My two cents: From my experience, it depends on the particular job. As a rule, sanding down to bare metal would be a rare event; labor intensive as well as no practical reward for the effort.
    And that sums it up pretty well. When the vehicles come in off lease, they are technically owned by the manufacturer. Many manufacturers actually have reps on site who make the determination, on a per vehicle basis, what needs to be done and to what extent. We don't have any more specific information on the repair/repaint process though.

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  • OhioCarBuff
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    Wow thats really something, Its great they are using the meguiars DA. With the lousy economy a more and more people are holding onto their cars and/or buying used cars. Heck the prices of the new cars have been inflated so much, I think it makes a lot more sense now to get a pristine used one for like half the price

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  • J. A. Michaels
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    What a awesome place. The set up is incredible. Thanks for sharing, Mike.

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  • TimG
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    That place is crazy big. Interesting indeed. Thanks for the share Mike.

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  • seth1066
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    BTW, Invisible, Manheim has an auction outside Toulouse in Blagnac and one closer to you in Antwerp.



    I don't read French all that well, but with the help of Google Translate, I gather the French facility does everything their US counterpart does except the auction itself is online.

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  • seth1066
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    Originally posted by the_invisible View Post
    Some of the local used car lots in Canada import cars from this place. I looked at a few 911's that came from the Manheim Auctions. Needless to say, these vehicles are prepared and repaired near to factory specs, which is impressive considering the scale of their operations.

    Michael, for their paint operations, do you know if these guys sand down the paint down to the bare metal before a repaint? Or do they simply roughen up the old paint for base coats? The industry standard for insurance repairs usually do not include sanding down to bare metal. I am interested to know the extent of their procedures. Do you know if they would document any repaint jobs on the papers just so that new owners would know that their new used cars have been previously repainted? Thanks!
    My two cents: From my experience, it depends on the particular job. As a rule, sanding down to bare metal would be a rare event; labor intensive as well as no practical reward for the effort.

    There is no document that would be in transfer of ownership papers that would mention body or paintwork unless the vehicle has a branded salvage/rebuilt title. I'm not sure what the rule is now, but in the past, the seller was only required to announce paintwork on a current model year vehicle, i.e. 2010 as of the moment.

    If the auction were to announce paintwork on vehicles that came out of their recon shop, that shop would have absolutely zero body and paint customers. Keep in mind, the auction is selling ancillary services, but they are not selling any vehicles, the sale is between the buyer and the seller. The auction simply acts as the middleman for the money and the transfer of ownership to the next dealer.

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