Layering wax???

[3.9square]

Ok, I was wondering if this guy that is rambeling is right. He keeps telling people how "wonderful" of a product Zanio or however you spell it is. He keeps saying something about "layering" the wax coats....I thought you couldnt do that. Or am I just crazy here?


(ok, well I know I am a LITTLE crazy but not about this.)

Here is stuff he is saying:

Originally posted by fourthmeal
It is a polymer, it can layer about 60+ coats using a cross-link. It DOES work. If you take a Zaino'd car to a body shop for body work, you're going to get one very upset body man as he ruins pad after pad trying to take the Zaino down to bare paint. The only thing that takes it off is DAWN, or perhaps a very strong solvent. This little bit of information is proof enough that there is something besides "wax" that is working here.
Sal Zaino says in somewhat cryptic words that the product can cross-link with each layer applied, forming a bond with the layers below. There is no real limit to the layering priciple, provided you let the layers cure and cross-link properly, and that you use the right activator to start the cross-linking in the first place each time.
I'm not a chemist, but his product certainly is the product of a person who is. When properly prepped and layered (and layering takes really no extra time, because it is easy as hell to do), the car will get so slick and glossy that nothing I know sticks to it. I love testing this theory by accident, when I leave a buffing cloth on the fender and it slides off the car almost instantly, because it is so damn slick. LOL, I've had to bring extra cloths because of this very behavior when I work with Zaino. You know how people sometimes lean against a car, looking all cool? You can't do it with a zaino car, you'll slide off. I've done it.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
I didn't mean to turn this discussion into a heated wax debate. I just know that contaminants like egg, coolant, or other disastrous things people can put on a car can be protected against by Zaino. The stuff saved my *** many times. I'm sure there are other products that do this, but none of them use carnuba, which doesn't protect paint like it should. Paint gets hot, and carnuba melts rather quickly, and loses any protective ability in a matter of weeks. No doubt other non-carnuba, cross-linking products will provide protection, but I don't like experimenting with my paint anymore.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
Actually the problem is the egg shell, not the protein (unless you are missing a wax coat.)
The shell frags and can scratch and chip paint easily.

BTW, I may say it too often, but in this case I think it needs to be said...Zaino will keep this from becoming a nightmare. It is a very good polish to use for exactly this type of issue.
Example: I had a car get keyed when I was at a party. This car had about 12 coats of Zaino on it (done over a year period, on the weekends.) The damage done by the keying would have been severe on any other car (and other cars got it so there's proof of this.) But my car simply needed to be washed off, and re-polished. The key couldn't even penetrate to scratch the actual paint. What more needs to be said, it is like armor (and I don't mean armor-all.)
Zaino FTMFW in this case.

I just realized thats a LOT of reading....all well..Any of your thoughts on this would be helpful in my now confused state of mind.

[Wolf-Strong]

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Someone will chime in with Meguiar's stance on how you can't 'layer' so to speak due to the law of diminishing return.

Personally, while I won't go as far to say that you can't build up product by applying it over and over, I have yet to see it proven to me, so I will go with Meguiar's stance on this. The truth is, from what I understand, is that to keep the wax or sealant from hardening, it requires some type of solvent or such. This means that while the wax or sealant may not be a cleaner wax, it still has a type of cleaning property to properly adhere to the surface. Simply rubbing a cloth or foam applicator against the surface, combined with this chemical to keep the wax in its workable state means that it will most likely work through any previous layers of wax.

Now on the other point of view, if we look at a glue or hot liquid wax, those start out as a liquid, and can be built up, but with the wax, that is only due to it being melted by heat, which you really can't do in a consumer product. As for the glue argument, I really can't think of an excuse for that one other than it is wax, not glue we are talking about.

That is why I just go with what I know works, and Meguiar's always delivers on their promises while I can't say that for many other companies out there. The best thing you can do is just try it and prove to yourself on what works and what doesn't. I know I have done this countless times, and just got tired of it and stuck with Meguiar's.

[yalerd]

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Maybe you can read this and share it
What's the deal with "Layering?

I really don't think that a wax can indeed be layer that much, like 60+ times as he states.

Another thing, it's true that 2 or 3 coats of wax can protect more compared to 1 coat but wax is just a thin layer of protection that we apply to protect that tough clear coat we all have but it's not something that if you layer and layer and layer and continue layer those coat of wax you'll create something stronger than the clear coat.

If we believes this as much at it sounds, it would be a great thing for him to test out something, separate two sections of the hood, one section he will protect to ensure that wax is present and the other section wash with DAWN (he states that this will remove the wax) and with a paint meter gauge, meter the both side and see if the 60+ layers of wax is present

[3.9square]

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Also, is Zanio actually a wax or something else?

[Murr1525]

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Zaino makes a full line of products, and there is a certain order to use their products in. I am not sure of which products match up with Meguiars process.

[spence82]

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Zaino is a polish/sealant.and you can layer there Z2 and Z5 on top of each other,Z5 is for swirls,you want to use first then Z2 is there show car polish,or you can use either one by itself.there Z6 detail spray is a very good product,and there Z8 detail spray/sealer is a awsome product,still my favorite QD,with UQD a close 2nd.

[PorscheGuy997]

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Zaino is a very popular protectant with a huge following. Sometimes, the benefits are heavily exaggerated.

First of all, the part about ruining pads while buffing is totally false. How can a protectant protectant against A BUFFING PAD, yet it can be removed with Dawn? It's like saying that you applied a super strong clearcoat that can be washed off. I think he's trying to say that body shops dislike protectants because they don't allow the paint to properly bond.

I'm not going to talk about layering. Why? It starts a firestorm. There will always be people saying that they applied 20, 30, 60, and 75 coats of protectant.

The part about protecting against a car key is crazy. Again, it's impossible.

Here's another thing: It says that the product can be removed with Dawn, but it protects against coolants. Does that make any sense?

[Tim Lingor]

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Hey,

One of the problems when discussing wax products is that there is a ton of good and bad info out there. Zaino makes excellent products, but no companies products regardless of brand will prevent a scratch from being made with a key etc; that is simply not true.

One of the reasons why we have a section in the Forum Rules in regards to bashing products etc is that people get very emotional about the products they use. As such, a thread like this rarely goes well and is already pitting the he said she said against each other which we will not allow to happen on this site.

I will close this thread. Meguiar's has made its position clear on layering. At the same time, other companies have their own opinion and that is just fine.

Tim