Is there really a difference?

[Executive Detailing]

Serious question folks-

Everyone has heard of Zymol's speciality wax line costing $2500, but is it really worth it?

They claim to use the highest concentration of white carnuba wax which supposedly provides better protection then yellow carnuba wax.

They also provide waxes made especially for red cars, and dark cars.

Are these products any better then what Meguiars has to offer?

I am looking for a straight answer, not "Meguiars rules man, none better...."

I have had nothing but excellent results from meguiars products, so I am not about to switch. I was just wondering what makes people spend several thousand dollars for wax.

Thank you for your input!

[the other pc]

Re: Is there really a difference?

…Everyone has heard of Zymol's speciality wax line costing $2500, but is it really worth it?…

Value is a matter of personal taste, preference and priority. It’s apparently worth it to their customers.

…They claim to use the highest concentration of white carnuba wax which supposedly provides better protection then yellow carnuba wax….

Claiming is easy. Lots of companies make lots of claims. You get to decide if you buy into them.

There is no such thing as a “white” carnauba palm of a “yellow” carnauba palm. They all come from the same plants. The “white” carnauba is just processed differently.

…They also provide waxes made especially for red cars, and dark cars….

Considering that the vast majority of today’s cars all have the same color topcoat, clear, does that really make any sense? And even on a single-stage finish, I’d want a wax that lets me see the paint’s color rather than imparting its own.

….Are these products any better then what Meguiars has to offer?…

That’s something people decide for themselves. I haven’t tried Zymol’s estate glazes on any of my cars so I can’t make an absolute statement; other than to say I am absolutely unconvinced that they have anything to offer to me. But I’ll keep an open mind. If they give me a free sample I’m willing to give it a go.

… I was just wondering what makes people spend several thousand dollars for wax….

People spend money for all sorts of reasons, some rational, some not. It’s their money and their choice. Power to ‘em.


PC.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Paul, you forgot one very important little fact; when forum member Sneek was in town recently he brought some megabuck Zymol wax with him and we applied some side by side on a nicely prepped black panel against M26 paste. I don't believe any of us could tell them apart and most everyone felt the gloss levels between the two were virtually identical (and I think a couple of guys gave M26 a slight nod on looks alone). Now, we couldn't really do any comparisons on how long either lasts but the bottom line seemed to be this - if a group of us couldn't tell the two apart then does it makes sense to spend $2500 or more when you can get the same look for under $20??

[dietoremain]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Paul, you forgot one very important little fact; when forum member Sneek was in town recently he brought some megabuck Zymol wax with him and we applied some side by side on a nicely prepped black panel against M26 paste. I don't believe any of us could tell them apart and most everyone felt the gloss levels between the two were virtually identical (and I think a couple of guys gave M26 a slight nod on looks alone). Now, we couldn't really do any comparisons on how long either lasts but the bottom line seemed to be this - if a group of us couldn't tell the two apart then does it makes sense to spend $2500 or more when you can get the same look for under $20??

Word.

[the other pc]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Oh, I didn’t forget our little experiment. I just elected not to mention it.

Since we didn’t get to evaluate it on a car, in full sunlight, I’m willing to leave it open.

But I sure won’t be spending my money to arrange a rematch.


PC.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Oh, I didn’t forget our little experiment. I just elected not to mention it.

Since we didn’t get to evaluate it on a car, in full sunlight, I’m willing to leave it open.

But I sure won’t be spending my money to arrange a rematch.


PC.

Fair enough. I'll concede that our little test wasn't truly "scientific" in the sense that, say, Meguiar's chemists would consider a test "scientific" but even the way we did it I'd expect to see something, anything, for 100x the money.

[Nappers]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Yeah, but would it work better if you put it on with your hand so the heat from your hand melts the wax into the pores of the paint........

I've used a lot of waxes in my time (although probably incorrectly) and I like Meguiars the best, which is why I'm here. I thought of using other brands, but for the money and for the end result, why would I.

$2500 bucks....I would rather take my wife to Reno for that

Aaron

[CarbonBlack]

Re: Is there really a difference?

for cost, meguiars is second to none!

that product may preform slightly better, but it is a matter of cost VS benefit.
cost is alot more, benefit is practically none

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Alot of times I think its perception. If it costs more it has to be better. I don't believe this. So if you have a high end car, you need to spend big money to protect it. Having said this, I will stay with Meguiars. Very happy here. Quality products and a great forum to learn from.

[Whelan]

Re: Is there really a difference?

You have to also think of the marketing here. Even if it may not work any better than a Meguiar's product, you still should think of this. If I was say Bill Gates or some kind of celebrity like Jay Leno and had uber money to spend, why not drop $2,500 on some wax that will make me FEEL like I am getting a better product.

It's kinda like the really rich person who lives in a shanty and drives a Yugo. Why, when they could afford a mansion and a Rolls. Our society is heavily based on consumers and brand perception is secodn to none in overall sales of a product. Honda an Toyota are perceived to be reliable and of good quality for their price. Therefore the brand image and perception has gained this reputation, thus they sell more cars because of it.

[Mort Corey]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Wow....I've heard of the product but had never heard of the $2500 version Is this like an average sized bottle or a fifty gallon drum? At that kind of money I'd be afraid of leaving my car unattended lest someone steal the wax.

Mort

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Is there really a difference?

At that kind of money I'd be afraid of leaving my car unattended lest someone steal the wax.

Mort

The container of wax or the layer of wax on the paint?

[the other pc]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Wow....I've heard of the product but had never heard of the $2500 version Is this like an average sized bottle or a fifty gallon drum? ...

Hey, they’ve scaled back the price in these tight economic times. Now, you can get Zymol’s Vintage for only US$1973 (22oz). What a deal! But they refill it for life (you just pay for shipping and insurance on the container). So if you wax your car often enough it might just pay for itself.

If you’re not feeling that cheap you can go for Royale; US$7583 (44oz) or Solaris; US$30,000 (they don’t list the size).


PC.

[9C1 MAN]

Re: Is there really a difference?

If zymols

[Mort Corey]

Re: Is there really a difference?

Hmmmm, I wonder if ADS stocks that stuff? I could corner the market on Meguairs' bags with one purchase

Mort