hazy residue after nxt tech wax

[Mike Phillips]

Here is something I received from R&D concerning hazing and the polymers used in both the NXT liquid and paste version waxes, as well as M21 Synthetic Sealant.

"The new polymer technology involved in these two formulations normally cures within several hours. In a high humidity environment, the curing process will be delayed exhibiting a slight surface haze that will diminish within 24 hours after gently wiping with a microfiber cloth. In addition, to minimize this hazing process, it is recommended applying the products to a cool surface and storing the products sealed in a cool and dry area when not in use. "

[rusty bumper]

I live in a high humidity environment, and I have seen some minor streaking issues with NXT wax, but it usually goes away in about 24 hours.

Not sure if that fits in with the hazing issue here, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

[Rob66]

Hi Mohsinbeg.

I have experienced the same thing as Proserve mentions below.

I know exactly what your talking about I detail cars and I notice when I use the nxt on dark colored cars after you wipe of the wax it leaves a haze in the paint especially black. By haze I mean you can see where the wax was applied it's like the paint is two shades of black like the paint absorbed the wax. But on red or light colored cars it makes the car look amazing. I usually use zaino for all my details but some customers will not keep it up so I use nxt on their cars and thats when I noticed the haze on the dark colored cars

Particularly on the horizontal services on my solid black car, at one stage I was doing the bonnet(hood) and roof with a different product (P21S as oppossed to NXT on the rest of the car) as it was driving me quietly mad.

The weather doesnt seem to make a difference. The best thing I have found is to apply the absolute minimum amount of product and allow to fully dry - but even then I still get the 2 shades of black problem sometimes. The new Ultimate Wipe does help alot so if you havent already I can definately recommend getting yourself one. Its worth persevering with the NXT though as IMO it gives a better finish than the P21S.

Best of luck

Rob

[fun69Mach1]

I too have noticed the hazing on my black '05 Mustang GT. I use a PC to apply the NXT and I am religious about not using too much at once. I applied NXT several days ago and the hazing is still there. I let it dry on the car for over half an hour before removing the product with a clean microfibre cloth. I wonder if the PC setting has something to do with it. I usually run at 3 or 4 setting. I wonder if a slower speed would help? I know that I have prepped the car well. I clayed before applying also. I really like how the NXT looks and holds up, but the hazing is annoying and I too would welcome ideas to get rid of it.

[Tim Lingor]

Just to add...

What I have found is that doing the Swipe Test to see when the NXT Tech Wax is ready to be removed is critical. I have experienced slight streaking if I have removed the product too soon as well as leaving it on too long! Further, I also believe in using 2 coats of the product. This provides uniform coverage but also evens out the look especially on black paint

Performing the swipe test, applying 2 coats and removing when the product is ready, I have not had any issues on darker colored paint!

Tim

[Mike Phillips]

Good summary of correct technique for using NXT Tech Wax Tim. This also hold true for all waxes I might add.

Sometimes people have a tendency to wipe and wipe, and wipe the finish after they have removed the wax, I've seen this habit in people all my life and almost every weekend on the car's we use for teaching technique with when were all finished with the car.

The thing about this is after you wipe of the wax, what you leave behind on the surface is trying to cure; each time you bring a cloth back onto the surface and wipe the surface, you are disrupting the polymers all over again.

The best thing to do is to apply a thin, even coating, do your best to do a thorough job of applying the wax evenly into the paint, apply to small sections at a time working your way over the entire finish, always overlapping your hand movements.

Allow the wax to dry until it swipes clear. At this point, remove the dried wax gently, using your softest wiping cloth whether that is a microfiber or a 100% cotton terry cloth towel.

After you have removed all of the wax, if you like/must, give it a final wipe with a new, clean soft cloth to get any areas you may have missed then stop touching the finish and let the polymers set-up. This curing process or setting-up process takes place within a window of time of 24 hours. Some polymers will have fully set-up in minutes, while others will take longer, there is no set time that you can go by, that's why it's called a window of time this means a range of time between 0 and 24 hours and by then it's pretty much guaranteed that all polymers have set-up.

At this point, you can give the finish another final wipe to even the appearance out if needed.


Final Wiping Technique
One mention about your final wiping technique. (Not initial removal of product, but after the most of a product has been removed and now you're just giving the finish a final wipe).

Often times I witness people wiping the wax off their car, or giving their car's paint a final wipe using fast, spastic wiping motions. Instead, try this, take your wiping cloth, whether microfiber or cotton, be sure it is larger enough to fold it 4 ways to give you plenty of cushion to distribute your hand/finger pressure more evenly over the surface of the side of the cloth in contact with the paint, and then wipe the finish slooooowly, not quickly like you're trying to put a fire out.

Wipe the finish slowly. Give the substance on the surface enough time to transfer to the fibers of the wiping cloth. Think about it... if you move your wiping cloth quickly over the surface, you're only allowing nano-seconds for any minute wax/polymer residue to transfer from the paint to the cloth, if you slow down the rate of travel of the cloth over the finish, you improve the chance for whatever it is you're trying to remove to successfully transfer to the fibers of your wiping cloth.

Does that make sense?

[fun69Mach1]

Thanks for the tips Mike. I have a tendency to wipe product off too quickly,I believe. I'm going to top the coat of NXT with #26 and I will try the technique you just described. I'll bet that the results will be much better than I previously had. It has been very hot and humid here in my part of the country which probably has some funny effects on the way the product sets up once it is applied. It seems to take forever for it to dry enough to wipe off.

[CARSGroup]

I have had this haze issue with the liquid nxt as well, and I have found that heat and hummidity are key factors in this occuring. We now use the paste form of NXT durring the hot and humid weather and it seems to work a bit better. If you do continue to get the haze or don't have access to the paste version- it has been my experience that if you wait one day after you have removed the wax, and then wipe off the haze gently, it solves the issue - do NOT add more wax - this will only add to the problem.

I have asked the Meguiars corporate folks about this almost since nxt first came out - and I was one of the first to get it -, but they tell me I am the only one telling them about it and that they don't seem to have the problem - but then again in cool, sunny, southern, Irvine California, they don't really get much in the way of hot and humid weather. That area of the country is ideal for detailing conditions - they may want to set up a testing area in less than ideal conditions so they get a more well rounded view of thier products and how they respond to those circumstances...

... JMHO....

~Lenny

[rusty bumper]

Originally posted by ProTouchNJ
...but then again in cool, sunny, southern, Irvine California, they don't really get much in the way of hot and humid weather. That area of the country is ideal for detailing conditions - they may want to set up a testing area in less than ideal conditions so they get a more well rounded view of thier products and how they respond to those circumstances...

... JMHO....

~Lenny

They have a facility in Nashville, TN..........I wonder if they do testing there?

[fun69Mach1]

Last night I tried some Quick Detailer on my hood that was pretty hazy and the haze has come right off without any hard rubbing at all. Tonight I will do the rest of the car.