Layering Liquid Ultimate

[carlspeed]

Hi guys, I've seen a few conflicting things and I wanted to make sure that I'm getting the best look I can with the wax. I searched this forum and others prior to posting this question. Some say that they do not recommend layering the wax until at least 12 hours later, and some recommend that you need a quick first coat, and then a follow up coat after buffing about an hour later to maximize shine/coverage. I'm putting the coats on pretty thin because no matter how much I apply, the PC I'm using seems to blend it in to the point where you can barely tell where has been waxed. Granted the horrible lighting in my garage isn't helping anything.

Thanks in advance. I'm going for a run and then it's time to buff off the first coat. If I don't hear anything otherwise, I'll throw another one on. I gotta be protected from the bugs! Side note, anyone use this on windshields? Those bugs are becoming pretty pesky.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

First off, welcome to MOL, Carl!

We're not huge fans of the term "layering" as it implies building an ever increasing film thickness with multiple applications of product, and we've never seen anyone prove that this can be done with any traditional wax or sealant. That said, we do advocate applying two thin coats of wax or sealant to ensure uniform coverage and appearance. This is primarily due to how thin a wax or sealant goes on when applied properly, and the fact that an appropriately thin application can be difficult to see, especially on light colors.

Ultimate Wax uses what we call Thin Film Technology, which is pretty self explanatory for anyone who's used the product. On light colors it can be extra tricky to see where you've applied UW because of this. Being fully synthetic, there is a cure time associated with this product once the excess has been removed; usually about 12 hours for the polymers to fully crosslink and bond. Ideally then, you should wait 12 hours between applications, but that's not always practical. If you need to do it sooner you won't hurt anything, and any compromise in durability is going to be extremely minimal. Visually we highly doubt you'd be able to tell the difference if you applied that second coat after a couple of hours a full 12.

[carlspeed]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

Great, thanks Michael. I need to pick up some more microfibers, because I used 3 on the car to remove/buff the first coat. I'd need three more to do another coat. I suppose I let it sit for a bit too long as well though. It sat for about an hour and fifteen minutes, although, it's pretty humid here and around 80

[Blue Apollo IV]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

I'm sorry...I will never buy into the whole "layer" myth..until I see video of someone actually peeling back a layer of wax off their car. Liquid Glass is the worst of the offenders..they claim to have a surface that is rock/chip resistant after so many "layers"....LOL! RIGHT! ..."layering" or waxing (more accurate) just makes you feel better about your car. Like you are way beyond what most people have. No harm, no foul...it's just fun to wax and wax and again! LOL! ;-)

[seckinb]

You gotta believe in your layers so that they can protect your paint

I only apply my second layer it I feel like I might have forgotten some places when applying so thinly. And some waxes with mild cleaners also benefit from a couple of coats (applications in real) by the way of a better cleaning job and more fillers pushed into cavities. A well known filler heavy UK brand polish ( well it is an AIO) is also known to be most effective by hand after a few coats.

[ffboy]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

Layering is more for assurance that no part or area of the car has been missed, as for more durability, there may or may not be a significant impropvement. But I still do it anyway, it does give me peace of mind and any improvement (whether huge or marginal) is still welcome in my opinion.

[cyben76]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

First off, welcome to MOL, Carl!

We're not huge fans of the term "layering" as it implies building an ever increasing film thickness with multiple applications of product, and we've never seen anyone prove that this can be done with any traditional wax or sealant. That said, we do advocate applying two thin coats of wax or sealant to ensure uniform coverage and appearance. This is primarily due to how thin a wax or sealant goes on when applied properly, and the fact that an appropriately thin application can be difficult to see, especially on light colors.

Ultimate Wax uses what we call Thin Film Technology, which is pretty self explanatory for anyone who's used the product. On light colors it can be extra tricky to see where you've applied UW because of this. Being fully synthetic, there is a cure time associated with this product once the excess has been removed; usually about 12 hours for the polymers to fully crosslink and bond. Ideally then, you should wait 12 hours between applications, but that's not always practical. If you need to do it sooner you won't hurt anything, and any compromise in durability is going to be extremely minimal. Visually we highly doubt you'd be able to tell the difference if you applied that second coat after a couple of hours a full 12.

If Ultimate Liquid Wax takes approx 12hrs to cure, would it be ok not park in an open air carpark overnight, while it cures?
Where i live, i don't have a garage of my own and have to park outdoors in the open usually humidity at night is between 75%-95%

[Murr1525]

Re: Layering Liquid Ultimate

Yeah, just QD or something in between to get any dust off the next day.