Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I'm going to try and fix it myself. Like I said its minor compared to the Mercedes tutorial.I'm having difficulty finding where the button is to post pics. When I click on insert image it doesn't have an option to browse to get the pic off my computer. I'm going to wash and take some pics of I can figure out how to get em on here. They is a very light having when the sun hits it just right. Up close you can't tell.

Is it recommended to clay bar more then once a year? I just need to push the reset button on this car and start from scratch.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Got your PM, Justin, but rather respond to that we'll respond here in hopes it helps out others later on.

We still aren't 100% clear on exactly what the defect in the paint is - haze or holograms or something else. Haze and holograms are very different issues, potentially - holograms only come from rotary buffing and can be tricky to remove if they're very deep. Haze can come from a wide variety of sources, including a paint cleaner that is just too aggressive for a very soft paint, and generally appears as just dull and lifeless paint.

Knowing which you have will help to formulate a game plan. But, from what you've said thus far, the defects don't seem to be really terrible so we'd suggest going with the SwirlX first. But do yourself a favor and do a test spot first. Select an area where the issue is most noticeable and lay a length of masking tape through the middle of that area. Use SwirlX as per the directions, wiping off when finished, then remove the tape and get the car back into the lighting needed to reveal the defect to its fullest. What has the SwirlX accomplished? Is the finish noticeably improved, or only slightly? If noticeably improved, or fully corrected, great! Apply a coat of wax and call it a day (well, after you repeat this process on the entire vehicle!!) If only slightly improved, do a second application of SwirlX and evaluate again. If that still isn't getting the result, then step up to UC. If the first application of SwirlX appears to have accomplished literally nothing, then your paint may be fairly hard and you should step up to UC right away.

[akimel]

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I'm going to try and fix it myself. Like I said its minor compared to the Mercedes tutorial.I'm having difficulty finding where the button is to post pics. When I click on insert image it doesn't have an option to browse to get the pic off my computer. I'm going to wash and take some pics of I can figure out how to get em on here.

On inserting photos into your messages, see this article: How to place an image in your messages.

[2010fusion]

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Thanks again guys. I will was and post some pics for ya. Hopefully the sun comes out for me so you can see it clearly. Mike with regard to the swirlx and the scratchx what are the differences in these. I noticed in the Mercedes tutorial scratchx was used on buffer swirl and not swirlx. Like I stated before the haze looks nothing like the Mercedes. Thanks again guys.

[2010fusion]

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Here are two videos I found on youtube done by Meguiars.

The first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rf1t...eature=related
looks just like what I have. I also have the spider web effect but also a little hazy, but no where near this one where they are using Ultimate Compound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po39KcVjbLQ&feature=channel

Just to give you an idea. Mine is no where even close to the second video. I would definitely be on someones rear if mine looked like that.

[akimel]

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Well, having just watched these videos, I have to question the technique displayed, particularly with the second Ultimate Compound video: (1) the PC is set for speed 4 but I would think that speed 5 would be more productive; (2) the man polishing does not appear to be applying any pressure; he is simply allowing the machine to glide over the surface; (3) he is moving the polisher too fast; (4) he needs to work a smaller space.

I know I'm a detailing dunce but those are my observations.

[fordf150]

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I'm new to using a DA, but I noticed this also. Not only did he appear to be moving the machine to fast, but initially the product was not spread quickly around his working area at a slow machine speed. I like to spread it around quickly using a speed of 2 or 3 before speeding up the machine and slowing the motion way down.

[2010fusion]

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Ya and working in the sun to. I know its probably for video purposes but still. Tomorrow is supose to be a good day but it calls for rain Thursday so I might as well wait for Friday evening or hit it early Saturday to try to get those swirls and haze out. I am attending the 4 Wheel Jamboree in Indianapolis later Saturday so I will hit it first thing in the morning.

[davey g-force]

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^^ So what product have you decided on?

I still say ScratchX 2.0 if you're working by hand...

[2010fusion]

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I have both actually. The sun finally peaked its head out today and upon closer examination its just the cobweb effect and when the sun hits it looks like a haze. The detailed probably just scratched it up or put the cobwebs in it by washing it.

I don't think they would do much more work the washing it considering it is a dealer. I think the first time I used the ultimate compound I didn't use enough elbow grease. I guess I was to scared to hurt the clear.

I can start with the swirlx and put some stank into it. I am by no means a small guy at 6'5" 300 lbs. I have been asked about 1,000 times what college I play football for. Just didn't want to damage the paint on it right after I made my first payment.

It's suppose to rain tomorrow so Friday or Saturday I will knock it out and take pics.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I have both actually. The sun finally peaked its head out today and upon closer examination its just the cobweb effect and when the sun hits it looks like a haze. The detailed probably just scratched it up or put the cobwebs in it by washing it.

I don't think they would do much more work the washing it considering it is a dealer. I think the first time I used the ultimate compound I didn't use enough elbow grease. I guess I was to scared to hurt the clear.

I can start with the swirlx and put some stank into it. I am by no means a small guy at 6'5" 300 lbs. I have been asked about 1,000 times what college I play football for. Just didn't want to damage the paint on it right after I made my first payment.

It's suppose to rain tomorrow so Friday or Saturday I will knock it out and take pics.

[akimel]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

The cobweb effect means micro-scratches. These can only be removed by polishing. Follow Michael Stoops's advice and do a TEST SPOT with SwirlX. The test spot allows you to (a) find the right products for the task and (b) refine your technique. I strongly recommend that you use a foam applicator. I have a black car, and it hates microfiber and terry cloth applicators. You don't want to find out whether your black Fusion will hate them, too. Trust me.

I have to tell you, polishing out an entire car by hand is hard, time-consuming work. There are good reasons why most of us amateur detailers have broken down and purchased a dual action polisher. If your heart is really set on this, may I suggest that you divide the work over a period of days or weeks, working one panel at a time. And check out the various articles and threads in the Hand Polishing forum. Hand polishing is more than just the application of elbow grease. If done improperly, it can create quite the mess (see, e.g., this disaster). Warning to the wise.

[2010fusion]

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I figured it would be the other way around. That just makes me not wanna mess with it at all. Did the guy ever figured out what he did wrong? I would use medium pressure with equal distribution of pressure and I always use foam pads for everything.

[akimel]

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"For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost?"

[2010fusion]

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Well this isn't my first rodeo at detailing a car. I would rather work by hand. I always use foam applications and I'm smart enough not to grind in an abrasive material weather it be light or heavy all over my car before I see how it reacts.