Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

[2010fusion]

Hello. I purchased a 2010 For Fusion black about a month ago and when I purchased the vehicle the salesman said it needed to be detailed interior and exterior and they would do it. Just noticed though that when the light hits the paint just right on a sunny day that the finish looks hazy. If you look up close the paint looks flawless and you don't notice the haze. Could this be buffer swirls?

I have called customer service and they told me to use the Ultimate Compound. So yesterday I hand washed the car with the Deep Crystal wash and used a microfiber mitt. I applied the Ultimate Compound to several panels and upon close inspection they looked fine but again when the sun hits it just right I can still see the hazy look on the finish. Am I using the right product? I put it on with a foam applicator using moderate pressure and wiped off with a microfiber towel using a separate one for the final wipe.

I am just kind of lost on how to fix this problem and to figure out what it is. I am just curious if I need to use a different product and how to go about it. Thanks for all the help....I'm gonna need it.

[greg0303]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

If the detailer caused haze by using a machine polisher probably you need the same to correct it. DA polisher with Ultimate Compound may be necessary. Working by hand it's hard to remove machine caused defects.
I corrected my friend's BMW 3-series hood after body shop inflicted holograms and swirls into it with rotary buffer. I used G110 with 8207 pad and Ultimate Compound.

[Ravi_1992]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Do you have pictures of the hazy areas? It could be that you have holograms instilled in your paint from bad buffing techniques as already said.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I can take some. I got a hold of the dealershipvtoday and they said they would fix it. At let that way they are responsible for it. I will take some pics when I get home and post them. If they buff it and wax it is there anythint I can use to remove the wax they put on and use my NXT wax?

[greg0303]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Clay bar will remove the wax. But if they do a good job I'd wait about 2 months for their wax to wear out naturally.

[Fly Bye]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund


There is a possibility they may not be able to correct it. If you are set on them correcting it, when you go back, you're going to have to have them look at it. If these buffer marks are only visable in the sun, at a certain angle, then you'll have to park the vehicle in such a way that you (as well as the Service Manager) will easily be able to see these defects. Make sure the vehicle is very clean when you bring it to them so they know you are serious. This way, you can easily point it out to them.

Or you can do it yourself. If you have some space where you live to store detailing supplys, and some space to work on the vehicle, I'd go that route. You will need a machine.


Good luck

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I am good friends of the owner and the service department people. I just don't want them to mess it up more then it is. I am having a hard time attaching an image. It keeps asking for a URL and I need to browse to find mine.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Just read this tutorial http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7011 and the swirls are no where near this bad. I am wondering if I should try the ScratchX or the SwirlX. This is what is confusing me there are two or three products the SwirlX ScratchX and the Ultimate Compound. The tutorial used ScratchX to remove swirls. Shouldn't they used the SwirlX?????

Like I said the swirls are NO wear even remotely near that bad. Thats why I am curious if I should try the SwirlX or the ScratchX. I just don't want to over work the paint and clear. So next time I attempt this I should was and then apply one of these cleaners, and which should I use? I am kind of over the idea of the dealership doing it again.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

The more I look at other postings the more I believe these are just light holograms. They are not anywhere near severe.. Just needing direction on swirlX or scratchX. The finish feels real smooth after washing so is there need for clay baring??

[davey g-force]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I am kind of over the idea of the dealership doing it again.

Good thinking.

We hear of this happening all the time with dealerships. When they attempt to correct the car, they usually use a sealant or glaze with heaps of fillers and "fill in" or hide the defects. It will look great when they hand it back to you, but after a few washes, the defects will reappear and you'll be back to square one. It is unlikely they will then correct it again, since the car looked good when they handed it to you and you accepted it.

This sort of thing is easy to fix yourself, especially since you describe the holograms as being light. I would start with ScratchX 2.0 (SwirlX is very mild). If you can get your hands on a DA polisher or can afford to buy one, that would really help too.

Good luck...

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Thanks Davey I can get a DA polisher but I am limited on my shade and my car will not fit into my garage for all the stuff in it since we have moved to a new location. I just don't want to over work the paint with the Ultimate Compound that I have. I always have friends with older cars that are in need of using it. I alos need to pick up some of the Gold Class car wash. I have been using the Deep Crystal wash but I think its time to step up a notch. Thanks..

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

I would start over.
Wash
clay
ultimate compound
wax
wax.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Is there anyway that the Ultimate compound could be to abrasive and I should just use the scratchx first a couple of applications? I just want to get it back to showroom shine without rubbing all the way to the metal. Should I use a polish between the cleaner and the wax step?

I guess I have just been to use to the wash and wax old school method and never really got into the science of it. I do really appreciate everyones help though.

[2010fusion]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

Is there anyway that the Ultimate compound could be to abrasive and I should just use the scratchx first a couple of applications? I just want to get it back to showroom shine without rubbing all the way to the metal. Should I use a polish between the cleaner and the wax step?

I guess I have just been to use to the wash and wax old school method and never really got into the science of it. I do really appreciate everyones help though.

[akimel]

Re: Buffer swirl and Ultimate compund

2010Fusion, did you decide to return the car to the vehicle or to try to fix the holograms yourself?

Please post some pics of the hazing. It's impossible for the MOL brethren to provide reliable guidance in the absence of visual documentation.

Don't worry about rubbing through to the metal with the Ultimate Compound by hand application, but whether or not it's the right product for the task can only be determined by trial and error. Always do a TEST SPOT first: How to do a Test Spot.