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I seen that meguiars is realeasing new products for 2009 and one of them is called swirlX for everybody that has trouble with spiderwebbing and swirls. I have a black car with alot of swirl scratches and some minor spiderwebbing as well as some light scratches from wiping off waxes with microfiber towels and etc. My question is will swirlX help my promblem or will i need to get it professionally buffed? Does swirlX actually take the spiderwebbing out or does it just hide and fill them like a glaze? I go to alot of car shows and would like to get the spiderwebbing out as much as possible for next year. When will swirlX become available in the local auto stores?
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Absolutely the new products should be able to get rid of the swirls on your car. If I was you I'd try swirl-x first and if it's not agressive enough step up to ultimate compoundComment
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If you want to work by hand, the new products will help your problem. Or you can look into a dual action polisher.2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR BlueComment
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New to the forum and to keeping my auto looking show room spiffy. I have been looking for an answer to the swirl problem so many seem to have. I see that the answer entails shallow removal of paint to alleviate this problem. My question; does this also remove the clear coat? I seem to think that my swirl problems may also be a result of my non-experience in maintaning a fine looking car. Could my swirl be limited to a layer of polish? If so, what would just remove the polish and maybe the self induced swirl? I don't want to be so aggressive that I remove the protective clearcoat. I have the Scratch X 2.0 but have been afraid to use it for the above concerns.Comment
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None of the above products will *remove* your clearcoat, especially by hand. They're both safe. Go for it!Paul Marmarinos
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Yes, it does.Originally posted by soli View Post
However, even though a swirl can look deep, that is more of an optical effect. If you cannot catch your fingernail on it, then it is probably very very very shallow. So you are acutaly removing a very very very thin layer of paint. Its not like using sandpaper. If you feel the ScratchX, it feels like a hand lotion, so it cant tear through your clearcoat.
The goal would be to remove your swirls, then use proper products and techniques when washing/waxing etc so you dont need to remove swirls very often. Regular wear and tear will cause swirls, but by keeping them to a minimum, you will be able to use very mild products and not have to use them very often.2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR BlueComment
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SwirlX makes use of similar technology found in our M105 Ultra Cut Compound (as does our new Ultimate Compound and ScratchX 2.0 for that matter) meaning that, technically, it is an abrasive and as such will remove a bit of material from your clear coat. But don't let that scare you, because ANY product that actually removes a scratch, etching, or even a swirl mark MUST BY DEFINITION REMOVE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CLEAR COAT. There is no way around that because that is the ONLY way to remove these defects - level some of the surrounding material.
But you have to keep all of this in perspective. Swirl marks are incredibly fine and shallow, but the combination of a very sharp edge to the defect (it has to be sharp edged because it's so darn tiny) and the resulting light reflection is what makes them so visible. Round off that edge and/or level the surrounding material and the defect is gone or, at the very least, minimized in severity. Again, "severity" being a very relative term here - we're talking almost a microscopic level.
Joe at Superior Shine did a great writeup a couple of years back where he took paint thickness measurements before and after wet sanding, rotary buffing with a compound, and D/A polishing with a quality paint cleaner. He was not able to measure a difference in the before/after with the D/A and paint cleaner even though it did correct defects. Working by hand then, which is far less aggressive than using a D/A, results in even less material being removed.
Consider this, too: swirl marks are such a fine defect, but the clear coat is so hard, that they can be difficult to remove by hand. Meaning, if you aren't getting rid of the defect, then you most certainly are not removing a dangerous amount of clear. You can't remove the clear and not remove the defect! And up until the introduction of these new products, there hasn't been much on the market for the average consumer that could effectively and easily remove even these very minor defects. Even ScratchX had its limits because it was so mild. All too often people would then reach for a very aggressive rubbing compound and inflict more damage than they fixed!
SwirlX, Ultimate Compound and ScratchX 2.0 are set to change that.Michael Stoops
Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
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Any of our new products will remove the swirls but they will just show back up again if the paint is not *touched* carefully every time it is touched.
How did the swirls get into the paint in the first place?
Usually its by the way the paint is touched, for example,
Washing - Washing means rubbing a wash mitt over the paint, thus the paint is touched
Drying - Drying means something is used to remove the water off the paint, if you use some kind of chamois or drying cloth the paint is touched.
Wiping - All manner of wiping means rubbing a cloth of sometime over the paint, thus the paint is touched.
Anything that touches the paint has to be of the highest quality, whether that be some kind of material or a product. The person touching the paint has to do so in a way that is intelligent and well-thought out or even using quality products they can instill swirls and scratches.
So "yes" we have products that will remove swirls and scratches and we have the know-how to share with you how to use them to get true show car results, but just as important is understanding that after the swirls are removed the paint must now be only touched in a way that swirls and scratches won't be re-instilled back into the paint or it will all be for nothing and you might as well apply a couple of coats of NXT Tech wax and live with the swirls and scratches.
Make sense?
Here's this article too.... from our "Information Station"
What it means to remove a scratch out of anything...
We understand that everyone hates the swirls in their car's paint and everyone wants a miracle product that makes them go a way quickly, easily and with the least amount of effort and that they will then stay away but that's not the reality of paint chemistry and that's the responsibility of car manufactures as they tell paint manufactures the features and benefits they want for you, (their customer), and to date there are no easy to maintain clear coat paints. They all require dedicated effort along with the right products, tools and techniques to remove the swirls out of them and then to keep them that way.
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WOW ! Awesome response time guys... Thanks. Based on what you guys are telling me I am safe to use the Scratch X 2.0. That is a good thing seeing as I already have it. Then I guess quality application cloths for wash and dry is the next thing. I do use a Wool Mit. and chamois. Maybe I need to switch to a high quality microfiber towel and polishing cloths. Or, I have read somewhere someone air dries with a leaf blower.Comment
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Might be worth a new thread if you want to get into cloth/tool recomedations, but here is a basic link:
Suggested Products for Taking Care of a New Car
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ScratchX 2.0 is a brand new version and it is not shipping yet.Originally posted by soli View Post
See this thread,
New ScratchX 2.0
As for Wash Mitts, Applicator Pads and Polishing Cloths, you want to get the best quality you can find and afford.
Everything offered from Meguiar's is of the highest quality and safe for your car's clear coat finish.
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