Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

[miahjohn]

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suprised indeed. cant wait to try ultimate compound.

[OhioCarBuff]

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now I'm debating on what product to use in lieu of #80 and/or scratch-x for the usual bi-annual swirl busting touch up cleaning for the cars in my family. I'm thinking either swirl-X or the new m205, hmmmmmmm, I'll have to invest in a whole bunch new pads too, looks like I'll be getting the finishing pads cuz these products seem more effective and the finishing pads should leave a better gloss

[TimG]

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Looks like he got it right to me! (Just messin' with ya Tim, I fixed the typo for him)

[J. A. Michaels]

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Very surprising. Had to read the post twice to make sure I got it right. Thanks for the info Mike.

[Hemin8r]

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Well I'm surprised too. What would Ultimate Compund compare to as far as aggressiveness? I may have to try out M205 too.

[BTLew81]

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Here are some of my thoughts. While Swirl-X is more aggressive than 83, I am sure it also depends on the pad, as I believe Mike has stated. In that case, a "finishing" pad could make swirl-x equal to say 80, or even 9. I tend to believe these new abrassives are more pad dependant. Also, I'll be one of the ones using 205 by DA buffer. I've just got to try it, as I am looking for finishing polish.

Mike..any additional thoughts in response to my thoughts?

[BBoe]

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I am wondering where does 105 fit into on this scale. I was thinking of picking some on for using it by hand on those hard to reach spots. Now I am thinking of this ultimate compound instead.

[Mike Phillips]

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I am sure it also depends on the pad,

That's correct as well as buffing time, downward pressure, size of work area, arm speed, etc.

Lot's of interest and curiosity about all our new products and especially our new paint care products, just have patience and keep an eye on the forum homepage into the future because as soon as any of these products start to become available we'll be posting updates to the forum.

Also, I'll be one of the ones using 205 by DA buffer. I've just got to try it, as I am looking for finishing polish.

Works awesome with A DA Polisher, especially with the one like we offer due to more power to rotate the pad for swirl removal.

M105 and M205 are going to change the industry, both body shop and detailing, they're that good as a team. Our new Consumer Line products will also change the enthusiast side of this hobby as they solve a lot of problems, in a nutshell, products that will enable the average person to remove defects out of their car's clear coat finish effectively and faster than ever before and without the usual frustration which has been the norm in the past.

[Mike Phillips]

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I am wondering where does 105 fit into on this scale. I was thinking of picking some on for using it by hand on those hard to reach spots. Now I am thinking of this ultimate compound instead.

Both will work, M105 is geared more for the Professional side of the industry but completely for enthusiasts too, Ultimate Compound will for most enthusiasts be a lot easier to find and come in a bottle size more suited to the average car owner versus having to buy a quart of M105

Something for everyone when it comes to correction work.

[hondamtrco4life]

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NOTE: M205 is specifically formulated and intended to be used with a rotary buffer on fresh paint after the initial cut is made using M105 Ultra Cut Compound.

I know you just mentioned it works well with a DA but I just remembered reading this above statement in your first post so I wasn't too sure.

I think I'm beginning to understand why you placed the products in the order you did. Everyone is wondering how can UC, ScratchX 2.0 and SwirlX be more aggressive then M83. Well it's pretty simple. M83 is nothing if you don't work it in because it doesn't have the same technology as the other three products above it. Therefore if it's used with the same machine, same speed, same pad and same surface temp it will never stand up to the other products when worked in for the same amount of time. Correct me if I'm way off Mike... that's just what I took for everything.

[Mike Phillips]

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I know you just mentioned it works well with a DA but I just remembered reading this above statement in your first post so I wasn't too sure.

A little more clarification... first lets draw attention to which product line M105 and M205 are in... our Professional Line which caters to the needs of people that work in body shops wet-sanding, cutting and the polishing fresh paint.

The first step after wet-sanding is to use a compound with a wool pad on a rotary buffer to remove the sanding marks.

The second step usually is to re-buff each panel using a less aggressive pad and product with a rotary buffer to remove any swirls left by the first step.

Most body shops stop after this and then apply a hand glaze and call it good. Some body shops may do the extra step to do one more machine polishing step with a DA Polisher which changes the action of the tool and thus the action of the pad against the paint to insure even more that there are no swirls in the paint.

The above being true, then the main goal or priority of these two products are to be used with rotary buffers on fresh paint. Can you use them with a DA Polisher, the answer is "YES!" and they work great, but think Professional Line, think body shop and remember the order laid out above and the tool used to accomplish the primary goal and market these products are designed to to achieve.

Removing sanding marks and swirls using a rotary buffer.

Detailers and Enthusiasts are completely able to use these products with a DA Polisher or by hand but those application methods and priorities come after the rotary buffer application method and priorities of removing sanding marks in body shop situation.

It's important to make tis clear because we have so many detailers and enthusiasts that come to this forum without the background knowledge of Meguiar's roots and heritage for the MAJORITY of the years we've been in business and that's as a supplier of body shop safe products for fresh paint environments. We started in 1901 and didn't make our first consumer product until 1973, it's now 2008, so here's some quick math, from the early 1900's to 1973 we only made automotive products for the professional trade, that's between 60 and 70 years to bring us up to 1973 but since we still manufacture for the professional industry that means we've been making professional products for over 100 years.

From 1973 to 2008 is 35 years we've been making products for enthusiasts, so it's easy to see the majority of time we've been in business has been making product for the Professional Trade, not the Consumer market, and this is what many new people to detailing don't always know as this is not explained like this on other forums.

I hope the above makes sense at some level and puts these new products for removing below surface defects in the right perspective.

M83 is nothing if you don't work it in because it doesn't have the same technology as the other three products above it. Therefore if it's used with the same machine, same speed, same pad and same surface temp it will never stand up to the other products when worked in for the same amount of time.

Correct. These new products use a new abrasive technology that is night and day between diminishing abrasive technology. This makes it had to make a simple list of most to least aggressive products even when ALL the variables are kept the same and that's why in the first page of this thread I posted a simple picture list showing the order and then followed up by saying we can't "simply" post a list or picture example of all products in the line and their cut or aggressive level as compared to all the other products in our line.

While that kind of information is interesting, all the average person is going to need is one or two products and by asking a few questions on this forum we can use the KISS system to guide you to the right products for your project.

(He crosses his fingers after typing this and hopes that makes sense)

[99GrandTouring]

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I know it says ultimate compound is safe by hand or d/a but what about oribital "wally world" buffers?

[eyezack87]

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Nice! I was looking for a reason to get rid of my #83 with something else

[jfelbab]

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I was wondering how they fell into the scale. Great post, Mike.

[pwaug]

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Mike--Is Ultimate Compound the consumer version of M105??